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smoothy · Nov 17, 2012, 09:52 AM

smoothy · Nov 17, 2012, 11:35 AM

THis explains what is Wrong with Haiti and 99% of the third world... and its NOT a new concept.

smoothy · Nov 17, 2012, 11:52 AM

TUT317 · Nov 17, 2012, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

There aren't many of them...and what few there are live in Alligator infested swamps.

Yes it is a minority language, but apparently French is also a minority language in Haiti

Originally Posted by smoothy

What does it mean?...if you can't feed the kids you have now...stop having kids.

Perhaps you can come up with some posters to that effect as well.

smoothy · Nov 17, 2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by TUT317

Yes it is a minority language, but apparently French is also a minority language in Haiti

Perhaps you can come up with some posters to that effect as well.

How much of your vast wealth have you sent to the Haitian money pit? And what is it with Liberals that think just because someone is dark skinned they are MORE entitled to aid than someone light skinned.

More people in Haiti speak french as a primary language than do in the entire USA.

TUT317 · Nov 17, 2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

How much of your vast wealth have you sent to the Haitian money pit? And what is it with Liberals that think just because someone is dark skinned they are MORE entitled to aid than someone light skinned.

If you can show me the relevance of your first question to the discussion then I will give you an answer.

Secondly, I am not a Liberal.

Originally Posted by smoothy

More people in Haiti speak french as a primary language than do in the entire USA.

I assume by the above sentence you are saying two things

(a) French is the dominant language of Haiti

(b) French is a minority language in the U.S.A.

I agree with (b), but disagree with (a). A Google search reveals that only 10 to 20 percent of the population speak French. The dominant language is Creole. Apparently Creole is a combination of a number of languages including French.

Tut

paraclete · Nov 17, 2012, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

How much of your vast wealth have you sent to the Haitian money pit? And what is it with Liberals that think just because someone is dark skinned they are MORE entitled to aid than someone light skinned.

More people in Haiti speak french as a primary language than do in the entire USA.

What does what language they speak have to do with it or the colour of their skin, they are your neighbours, thus your responsibility and our government contributed $10M in aid

tomder55 · Nov 17, 2012, 04:26 PM

I don't know.. when the tsunami hit the Indian ocean I contributed . When the tsunami hit Japan I contributed. When the earthquake hit Haiti I contributed.. and I regularly contribute to 'Habitat for Humanity ' and other groups like 'Red Cross' ,'Salvation Army','Save the Children ' . American private donations to Haiti were more that $ 650 million last time I checked and the American government has done plenty too.
Here is the USAID website:
USAID/HAITI : Issues : Earthquake

The issue is not money going into the country .It is in fact poor governance that keeps the Haitians in abject poverty . Look ;if they had a government that didn't have it's corrupt head up it's a$$ ;American corporations would flock there ,create jobs by the thousands... Geeze ;it's in a region that is one of the most desirable locations on the planet to vacation . A mental midget could make the country prosper .

paraclete · Nov 17, 2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

I don't know .. when the tsunami hit the Indian ocean I contributed . When the tsunami hit Japan I contributed. When the earthquake hit Haiti I contributed ..and I regularily contibute to 'Habitat for Humanity ' and other groups like 'Red Cross' ,'Salvation Army','Save the Children ' . American private donations to Haiti were more that $ 650 million last time I checked and the American government has done plenty too.
Here is the USAID website:
USAID/HAITI : Issues : Earthquake

The issue is not money going into the country .It is in fact poor governance that keeps the Haitians in abject poverty . Look ;if they had a government that didn't have it's corrupt head up it's a$$ ;American corporations would flock there ,create jobs by the thousands ... Geeze ;it's in a region that is one of the most desirable locations on the planet to vacation . A mental midget could make the country prosper .

Well Tom why don't you send some of your mental midgets over there, you must have plenty to spare in the aftermath of the GFC, you see you exported your industries to China, just as well you did because if you had exported them to Haiti you would have lost them in the Earthquake. You have a strange idea that you have to rid a country of corruption before you can deal with it, why? You haven't rid your own country of corruption. The way you do business would fit right in. If you cause the people to prosper they will eventually deal with the corruption among their own people. Isn't it better to lift your near neighbours out of poverty than to lift communists out of poverty

I'm pleased you gave so much to help those people, has the Congress released the funds yet or is this aid on the never, never plan?

Wondergirl · Nov 17, 2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

A mental midget could make the country prosper .

If only I were younger...

paraclete · Nov 17, 2012, 04:44 PM

What does that have to do with anything

tomder55 · Nov 17, 2012, 05:00 PM

Clete ,it's obvious . The Dominican Republic shares the same island and isn't close to the abject poverty of Haiti. And as much as you mock Smoothy ;Haiti's historic relations with France has a lot to do with it's situation today.
And I am aware that deals with dictator devils can be made. The difference on the Island of Hispaniola is that Duvalier sold out his people whereas Trujillo of the Dominican Republic at least encouraged economic development .

paraclete · Nov 17, 2012, 06:15 PM

All history Tom and just an excuse. The earthquake was a game changer and an opportunity lost

tomder55 · Nov 18, 2012, 03:00 AM

History is a valuable lesson . Short of occupation and regime change ,what exactly should we have done ?
It cracks me up . The biggest critique of our nation in this hemisphere is our interference in other nations. Yet when there is problems the chorus is always the same... 'why isn't America doing something ? '... even in cases like this where our efforts have been massive. Let's see if Americans donate as much to the NY/NJ areas rebuilding as we have for Haiti or the tsunamis in Japan and the Indian Ocean. This morning there are many people in this area living in ad hoc tent cities... and temps dipped below freezing at night.

paraclete · Nov 18, 2012, 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

History is a valuable lesson . Short of occupation and regime change ,what exactly should we have done ?
It cracks me up . The biggest critique of our nation in this hemisphere is our interference in other nations. Yet when there is problems the chorus is always the same...'why isn't America doing something ? ' ...even in cases like this where our efforts have been massive. Let's see if Americans donate as much to the NY/NJ areas rebuilding as we have for Haiti or the tsunamis in Japan and the Indian Ocean. This morning there are many people in this area living in ad hoc tent cities ...and temps dipped below freezing at night.

Tom there is a difference between interferrence and aid or help, you seem to think that every time you help someone you have the right to dictate politically to them. There are people living in tent cities in the US and there are 14 million unoccupied homes, is there a mental block over there? There is a giant disconnect in your society, an inability to connect the dots, there is no need for people to live in tent cities in the US for any length of time but people have been living that way in Haiti for years. One day you will get your head out of your arse. Your country has the ability to rebuild NYNJ. Haiti does not have the ability to rebuild, Japan has the ability to rebuild, Haiti does not have the ability to rebuild, what part of that do you not understand? I seen to remember someone telling me you could fish and cut bait, well what you are telling me now is you cant. Welcome to reality

tomder55 · Nov 18, 2012, 03:28 AM

Giving massive aid to Haiti has been an exercise in throwing money away. It does not get to the intended recipient . How is it possible for that reality to change if the terms can't be "dictated "? How do you convince a corrupt regime to give the massive aid to the people ? It's you who need to get your head our of your arse . We could've multiplied our aid X10 and the results would not have been any different.

paraclete · Nov 18, 2012, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Giving massive aid to Haiti has been an exercise in throwing money away. It does not get to the intended recipient . How is it possible for that reality to change if the terms can't be "dictated "? How do you convince a corrupt regime to give the massive aid to the people ? It's you who need to get your head our of your arse . We could've multiplied our aid X10 and the results would not have been any different.

Tom you always have barriers to reality, when we gave $1 billion to Indonesia at the time of the Tsumani we made it plain, we would supervise how it was spent, no local officials involved in their customary dealing. They didn't like it but that's the way they got the aid. It isn't about quantity, it is about quality, getting bang for your buck. You want to be part of Asia but you understand nothing about it and as a result they will take you to the cleaners

tomder55 · Nov 18, 2012, 06:06 AM

Tell that to the Indonesians who drank water desalinated on one of our imperial nuclear Super Carriers and who received immediate aid from planes and copters that took off from the deck ;and received immediate medical aid from the staff of doctor on board the fleet. While that was happening the UN was having cocktail party discussions on how they should proceed with a relief plan. BTW.. 3 of our carriers are scheduled for retirement with no replacement.

Wondergirl · Nov 18, 2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

tell that to the Indonesians who drank water desalinated on one of our imperial nuclear Super Carriers and who received immediate aid from planes and copters that took off from the deck ;and received immediate medical aid from the staff of doctor on board the fleet.

That is exactly 'clete's point -- be in control of aid and aid funds and don't just hand it off to the government of the stricken country.

tomder55 · Nov 18, 2012, 07:44 AM

In Indonesia we have the 3rd largest democratic nation on the planet. They invited us in on their terms . Haiti invites us in ,but they will never allow us to do what is necessary for them to sustain an economy necessary to eradicate the abject poverty of the nation. I'm sure your son would tell you that it is impossible to get the cooperation .So what is the choice ? If we send aid it goes down the pit. If we don't we are the cruel neighbor that doesn't do a thing to help .