[excon]

I have come clean, I don't believe Roe will ever be overturned. The only ones that even want to discuss Roe are you guys on the left...

Hello again, steve:

I didn't fart. You act like I did. I'm NOT drunk. The scenario I point out is NOT some weird conspiracy theory... It's a VERY LIKELY possibility if Romney is elected. Did I say very.. I was being mild. It's very, VERY likely. Why you WOULDN'T think so, is beyond me.

Unless, of course, that's because you really DO think that it'll happen and you're afraid if you admit it, it'll go away... You've never shied from a conversation before, why now?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Unless, of course, that's because you really DO think that it'll happen and you're afraid if you admit it, it'll go away... You've never shied from a conversation before, why now??

excon

Because I've said my piece, I don't worry about Roe. Look, the whole point in saying we thought the mandate would be overturned is those justices that Republicans appoint don't always turn out to be so conservative now do they? Souter, O'Connor, Kennedy and now Roberts anyone? I just don't believe your conspiracy theory has any legs.

[excon]

Because I've said my piece, I don't worry about Roe.

Hello again, Steve:

You may have said your piece, but the rest of the country is discussing it. I'll leave you out, if you wish, but I detected yet another change last night in the every changing Republican position on abortion...

Ryan said, "the policy of a Romney administration is to oppose abortion with exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother.”

He also said, that he didn't believe “unelected judges” should be able to make those decisions. He also suggested that elected officials at the state level should be the ones in charge of Row V Wade.

Now, it looks like to ME, that Ryan CONFIRMED, that if Romney is elected president, Roe is history. Maybe they won't even have to go the Supreme Court route... They BOTH support a personhood act. Right wingers in congress support a personhood act. That would ban abortion right there, and probably contraceptives too.

Now, you can keep looking the other way, but you're going to miss something.

Excon

[speechlesstx]

I oppose abortion too, but I'm not pushing for the appeal of Roe and they said there would be no abortion legislation from them, which should include a personhood act. I'd be more concerned that a liberal majority would do things like eviscerate the first and second amendments for starters. I'd like to keep the constitution.

[speechlesstx]

With Obama being the only candidate that wouldn't protect baby girls that survived an abortion, whose female staffers make less than their male counterparts, and now with Pelosi's PAC attacking our country's first female combat fighter pilot with a 'kitchen' ad I ask again who's really waging a war on women?



Martha McSally responded of course...

“The fact that they use this theme of Martha McSally in a kitchen cooking up recipes is…overtly sexist and insulting to any woman, but it certainly doesn’t fit specifically with me,” she said in a phone interview. “For crying out loud, I served 26 years in the military. I was too busy shooting 30 mm out of my A-10 at the Taliban and al Qaeda to spend any time in a kitchen.”

Apparently even flying an A-10 in combat isn't enough to qualify a conservative as an authentic woman.

[tomder55]

She flew an A-10 ? Awesome ! That is one kick-a** jet! I want to vote for her .

[Wondergirl]

baby girls that survived an abortion

Do you have any stats to indicate how often this happens? Or stats for partial-birth abortions?

[speechlesstx]

Do you have any stats to indicate how often this happens? Or stats for partial-birth abortions?

Isn't saving one child enough?

[speechlesstx]

she flew an A-10 ? Awesome ! That is one kick-a** jet! I want to vote for her .

Damn straight, that is one kicka$$ jet...



And they put her in the kitchen? She'd blow the hell out of the kitchen.

[Wondergirl]

Isn't saving one child enough?

Is there even one to save?

[speechlesstx]

Read the sworn testimony of Jill Stanek to the Illinois Senate Health & Human Services Committee on the bill Obama refused to support.

Or just ask this woman:

Woman who Survived Abortion Takes Obama to Task in New Ad

You don't just let babies die, not even one.

[Wondergirl]

Woman who Survived Abortion Takes Obama to Task in New Ad

You don't just let babies die, not even one.

"Melissa is the survivor of a failed saline infusion abortion in 1977." (from her website) In which trimester? And why not sooner if it was a later trimester? Why is she after Obama about this ancient story? Most abortions now take place during the first trimester.

***ADDED*** She was at six months gestation according to the Ohio University website.

"Localizing her story, Ohden drew a clear comparison between her biological mother and most students today. She said that her mother was told by her own parents that she needed to have an abortion and, like so many others, felt like she had no other choices.

Born at only 2 lbs and 14 oz. Ohden said [the baby] was able to fit in the palm of a hand.

Compromised by the abortion attempt, she faced seizures, respiratory problems and blood transfusions before miraculously being sent home after only two months of hospitalization.

Ohden explained that saline abortions, which involve injecting a toxic, salt solution into the amniotic fluid surrounding the preborn child, are no longer performed because of their low success rate."

I am not impressed.

[speechlesstx]

Obviously you did not read the sworn testimony. Regardless, I'm not surprised that like Obama you would refuse to support saving one baby's life.

[Wondergirl]

Obviously you did not read the sworn testimony. Regardless, I'm not surprised that like Obama you would refuse to support saving one baby's life.

That "baby" died in 1977.

[excon]

Hello Steve:

If a botched abortion results in a life birth, I support keeping the baby alive. I'm no murderer.. Does that make you feel better?

But, abortions aren't allowed if the baby is viable, so in the ordinary course of events, that wouldn't happen..

excon

[talaniman]

As usual you guys left out a few facts,

FactCheck.org : Obama and 'Infanticide'

As originally proposed, the 2003 state bill, SB 1082, sought to define the term "born-alive infant" as any infant, even one born as the result of an unsuccessful abortion, that shows vital signs separate from its mother. The bill would have established that infants thus defined were humans with legal rights. It never made it to the floor; it was voted down by the Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired.

However, Obama has said several times that he would have supported the federal version of the bill, which passed by unanimous consent and which President Bush signed into law Aug. 5, 2002, because it could not be used to challenge the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision granting a legal right to abortion. On Aug. 16, the candidate repeated that again to David Brody of the Christian Broadcasting Network. He also prefaced his remarks with an attack on those who said he had misrepresented his position on the state bills, saying they were "lying."

[speedball1]

Speechless Said,

You don't just let babies die, not even one.

And Excon and I both agree, But Steve, Let's learn a new word a day. Today's word is FEE-TUSS Say it out loud because abortions don't kill bay-bees abortions terminate pregnancies along with then fetus. And if you take away that right from women you're seeking to control her medical decisions, I kind of warmed to old Steve when I found out he sparked a doobie or two. Sort of makes him seem a little looser. The one thing I learned working at the clinic is that while we focus on the women they focus on the unborn. They have all the answers EXCEPT what to do after she gives birth they aren't willing to fund programs to help unwed mothers unless it's a religious program. After 13 years I understand where they're coming from, I might not agree but I do understand, Regards, Tom

[speechlesstx]

That "baby" died in 1977.

I asked you to read Jill's sworn testimony, which was in 2003. Is it really that hard for you to consider that one infant born alive might deserve care?

[Wondergirl]

I did read it, and have read it in the past. That hospital has changed its policy regarding doing abortions that late in a pregnancy (when a fetus could be viable).

[speechlesstx]

And Excon and I both agree, But Steve, Let's learn a new word a day. Today's word is FEE-TUSS

Don't patronize me, a fetus is only a fetus before birth. After that it's a newborn baby. Say, it BABY.