[excon]

Then get rid of Obama...he's a spender and not a fixer.

Hello again,

So, NOBODY wants to talk about SOLVING our money crisis?? I thought you wingers were ALL about money. I mean, it's only $1.5 TRILLION.

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again,

So, NOBODY wants to talk about SOLVING our money crisis??? I thought you wingers were ALL about money. I mean, it's only $1.5 TRILLION.

excon

The guy at the wheel that took a 8.3 trillion deficit and turned it into a 16 trillion dollar deficit in les than 4 years ain't the guy that's going to be fixing ANYTHING.

Everyone that's had basic finances knows you can't spend your way out of a debt.

THere is an old addage that applies here... if you find yourself in a deep hole you can't climb out of... put the shovel down and STOP DIGGING.

[excon]

Hello again, smoothy:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about Obama..

It's just you and me here. smoothy. I made a suggestion about how to FIX our terrible economic situation. I KNOW MY fix will never happen. It's TOO simple. But, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what would actually WORK. Wouldn't you like to engage me in that conversation?

Or, would you rather badmouth Obama?

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about Obama..

It's just you and me here. smoothy. I made a suggestion about how to FIX our terrible economic situation. I KNOW MY fix will never happen. It's TOO simple. But, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what would actually WORK. Wouldn't you like to engage me in that conversation??

Or, would you rather badmouth Obama?

excon

There is no sense restocking the shelves in the China Shop as long as the Bull is still in it breaking everything.

You also can't pay off your credit card bills as long as your wife is running out buying everything under the sun.

Its part and parcel to each other... get rid of the source of the problem to you can clean up the mess.

In other words... moping the floor up is a waste of time until you fix the busted water pipe first.

This mess started with Al Gore and HMO's and its been going downhill ever since... now with Obama care its about to fall off the cliff.

Typical attitude of certain groups that if I can't have this free you shouldn't be able to have it at all mindset.

Most of the uninsured could afford insurance if they gave up a lot of things they don't NEED to have... I did it when I first got out of college and for years after that... I did without a lot of things to make sure I had medical coverage...

But today young people think they are ENTITLED to anything they want and get indignant if anyone suggests they make sacrifices to pay for it.

I've seen Socialized medicine up close for years... my wife grew up in Europe with socialized medicine and she would be the first to tell you how clueless people that want it are... and how much is sucks.

[excon]

and how much is sucks.

Hello again, smoothy:

One of the problems we have, is that NOBODY wants to talk about sacrifice.. EVERYBODY says, we can KEEP the status quo, it's the OTHER guys ox that needs to be gored.

But, the fact is, the way we're running things is NOT sustainable. (Boy, I sound like a Republican, don't I?) So, it's a matter of WHAT we cut, not a matter of WHETHER we cut...

I KNOW socialized medicine sucks.. But, we're talking about $1.5 TRILLION dollars here. Everybody get's health care, and we have loads of cash left over to buy several aircraft carriers... Yeah, your doctor will work for the state, and you might have to wait in line..

It's for the good of the country. It's REAL patriotic to sacrifice for your country... But, no, huh? You want the OTHER guy's ax to be gored... Screw the old people, let's end Medicare.

Like I said, I'm looking for SOLUTIONS and all I hear from you guys is how we CAN'T do that... I thought you right wingers had a can do attitude. No, huh?

excon

[TUT317]

Hello:

Now, I'm no arithmetician, but if we could save several BILLION $$'s a year by nationalizing the delivery of medicine, we could SAVE Medicare, SS AND not have to cut the military.

What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah... It's socialized medicine... But the word doesn't frighten me. Especially when the future of our country is at stake.

excon

Hi Ex,


Depends on what you mean by nationalizing the delivery of medicine to save medicare. Do you mean to reduce the role of private insurance companies in medicare? Perhaps reducing the role of private insurance companies in general?

Tut

[paraclete]

Perhaps ex is thinking of a single payer system which means uniform enforcement of the rules

[excon]

perhaps ex is thinking of a single payer system which means uniform enforcement of the rules

Hello TUT & clete:

Yup. Think of those beautiful aircraft carriers we could buy with the leftover cash.

excon

[cdad]

Like I said, I'm looking for SOLUTIONS and all I hear from you guys is how we CAN'T do that... I thought you right wingers had a can do attitude. No, huh?

excon

Then why not allow a 2 tiered system? The first layer covered by the government and the other part can be carried by private insurance? They have that system in Germany. Also its not illegal to pay your own way.

That way if you don't want to wait inline or you wish to have premium healthcare you can avail yourself to the access of it though a private plan.

Or is that the creation of yet another class argument to be taken on?

[Wondergirl]

Then why not allow a 2 tiered system? The first layer covered by the government and the other part can be carried by private insurance? They have that system in Germany. Also its not illegal to pay your own way.

That way if you dont want to wait inline or you wish to have premium healthcare you can avail yourself to the access of it though a private plan.

Or is that the creation of yet another class argument to be taken on?

That's how I understand Obamacare. President Obama has said if someone has private health insurance or insurance through a workplace and is happy with it, no problem. Those with no insurance will be able to buy insurance through Obamacare.

[smoothy]

perhaps ex is thinking of a single payer system which means uniform enforcement of the rules

That's a glorified socialized system... which sucks.

[paraclete]

Not really it works well where I live, independent medical practitioners, public hospitals, private hospitals, private health insurance and a government enforced contribution of the uninsured. The medical practitioners can either be in the system and accept the regulated payment, or set their own fee and work out the impacts with their patient. The patient receives the refund of the regulated fee and the inconveniece of dealing with the insurers. Costs are contained because the patient has some guide as to what is a reasonable fee. The government has oversight of medical billing and so can identify over servicing but I have never heard of anyone complaining of being refused a refund or have a procedure disputed

[TUT317]

Thats a glorified socialized system.....which sucks.

Well,my wife grew up in Australia with socialized medicine and she would be the first to tell you how clueless people that don't want it are.


Tut

[paraclete]

Well,my wife grew up in Australia with socialized medicine and she would be the first to tell you how clueless people that don't want it are.

Tut

Well Tut we have tried to tell them, but there seems to be a block there, some sort of fear factor, no doubt fueled by the health insurance industry. I remember when we first got the system, took a little adjusting and the doctors wanted out after a while, weren't making the big bucks, I guess, but the specialists went their own way and the GPs were either in or out. But the test is in the costs. Our health care costs are much lower than theirs and we have a longer life expectancy so something is working

[tomder55]

That's how I understand Obamacare. President Obama has said if someone has private health insurance or insurance through a workplace and is happy with it, no problem. Those with no insurance will be able to buy insurance through Obamacare.

Forget the effect of Obamacare in driving up premiums and the out he gave employers where many will determine it's cheaper to pay a fine... ooops I mean tax... and let their employees go into the government plan...

The Dems have made no secret that Obamacare is a sinister 1st step towards their goal of government central single payer takeover of health care in this country. We already see in it's initial stages where it shoves options on people with moral objections... so why shouldn't we believe our worse "fears " won't be codified into law now that the barn door has been opened .

[excon]

Our health care costs are much lower than theirs and we have a longer life expectancy so something is working

Hello again,

I thought $1.5 TRILLION would get their right wing attention, too. But, nahhh... They don't CARE that it'll DESTROY America... I wonder why they hate it here.

excon

[tomder55]

It's bogus math ;and the fact that Romney says that the system works in a nation less than the size and population of NJ doesn't impress me.

[excon]

it's bogus math

Hello tom:

Speaking from a businessman's point of view, if a system works on micro level, it can work on the macro level. But, you guys ain't interested.. You want your Maypo and you're going to cry and snivel unless you get it.. You don't CARE that the future of the country is at stake. I don't think that's a very patriotic position...

excon

[TUT317]

it's bogus math ;and the fact that Romney says that the system works in a nation less than the size and population of NJ doesn't impress me.

Hi Tom,

What nation might that be?



Tut

[cdad]

That's how I understand Obamacare. President Obama has said if someone has private health insurance or insurance through a workplace and is happy with it, no problem. Those with no insurance will be able to buy insurance through Obamacare.

That is not what I had said. I had said that government would cover the first level of healthcare (universal) and if you want premium service or can afford to pay cash you can. Premium services to be provided by private insurance.


Under Obamacare none of that is possible. It is designed to get people away from private insurance and allow the government to make decisions for you.