[tomder55]

1st I did not call for over military action.If I could give you an address then it wouldn't be very covert would it ? Nor did I mention "occupy by force." . You know professionals can accomplish this don't you ? Or perhaps those missing nuke scientists are just a coincidence . Perhaps the Stuxnet computer worm just happened . An explosion destroyed the Revolutionary Guard base at Bid Kaneh, obviously a coinicidence . An explosion in Isfahan badly damaged a uranium enrichment facility.That was just a coincidence ?
Assets are already in the nation . It's just a matter of how they are directed and what goals they are to achieve. Clearly the nuke program is being targeted by covert means . So if that can be done;it would be easier to identify dissidents and train them with material support .Even something simple like Sat. phones would've had a big impact when the regime shut down their twitter feeds .

[paraclete]

So Tom you are saying Israel is already attacking Iran, or is it that america is already attacking Iran. If Ahamadjihad thought that he would have said so.

[tomder55]

I don't have the sources to say definitively who is attacking... I'm just saying that their nuke program is being targeted by covert action.

I don't think that their nuke program can be targeted by conventional military attack. We gave them the time to harden their known locations . I think if an "atttack" comes ;it will be from Israel, and,and it will be a decap strike .

[paraclete]

Covert action, not many are capable of doing that successfully. To infiltrate Iran you would have to be Iranian. Not even Israel would be stupid enough to try to take out Iranian leadership.

All this hype about iran is just Israeli paranoia and you have bought it, hook, line and sinker

[tomder55]

Gee a nuke in the hand of messianic leaders who proclaim their goal is the destruction of Israel. What's to be paranoid about ?

[paraclete]

Look Tom such people bare watching but they come and go. Ahamadjihad has said a lot but has taken very little action. What he says is really for home consumption. There are millions of Palestinians whose goal is the destruction of Israel so one more voice is added to the din. If these nations learned to cooperate rather than shouting at each other over the fence it would all go away.

What is needed is to defuse the situation and normalisation of Israel's relationship with the Palestinians would do a lot to improve things

[tomder55]

You buy into that line of bs ? Iran could care less about the fate of the Palestinian . The same is true with the Sunni nations too. . The fate of the Palestinian is a western obsession.

I say when meglomaniacs say they are going to do something you should take them seriously... certainly if you are Israel you should . They have to be responsible for their security .God knows the rest of the world won't . The world loves it and sympathises when the Jews are victims quitely accepting their persecution .

[paraclete]

You accuse me of swallowing B/S. The Palestinian question is something all muslim nations have an interest in. Close neighbours of Israel have had to endure the destabilising influence of Palestinian refugees, while those who opposed the formation of Israel in Palestine remain opposed. The Palestinian question is not a western obcession it is a Palestinian obcession. A two state solution isn't viable, we all know that, but the Palestinians wouldn't have any other solution. Israel needs to come to understand multiculturism and offer it to the Palestinians instead of being ostriches. The Israeli's still have a ghetto mentality

[talaniman]

A two state solution is viable, but not in the interest of the Israelis. I mean imagine a thriving muslim state right next to you that you cannot control. No way, from a paranoid shell shocked people who are frightened by bully words.

Too much fear and hate stoked by insecurity and mistrust to solve anything at all until more rational heads emerge above the noise of the reactionaries. Get rid of the Iranian nut and the Israeli one and the people will be able to figure it out given time.

[tomder55]

I mean imagine a thriving muslim state right next to you that you cannot control

... ummmm except for their sea front ,Israel is sort of surrounded by hostile muslim nations they don't control. That being said ;there will be a 2 state solution when and only when the Palestinians want it .Right now their leadership thrives on their people's misery.

[paraclete]

A two state solution is viable, but not in the interest of the Israelis. I mean imagine a thriving muslim state right next to you that you cannot control. No way, from a paranoid shell shocked people who are frightened by bully words.

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Have you noticed Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan exist, Syria is a basket case right now but the muslims aren't exactly starving. One more Muslim State isn't going to change anything, what is wrong with the idea is that corridors have to be provided and who wants neighbours who do not allow you the right to exist. What is needed is either a three state solution or a one state solution but a two state solution isn't going to fly. Egypt could help solve this by accepting Gaza and Jordan could help by accepting the West Bank, but get this they have had enough of the Palestinians..

So Tom follow your fearless leaders two state solution if you want

[tomder55]

Egypt could help solve this by accepting Gaza

They are half way there. Of course Gaza is an Egyptian city and now that the Brotherhood controls both ;it would seem to be the next logical step.

[talaniman]

There can be NO solution until Israel stops expanding and claiming its out posts as sovereign cities.

[paraclete]

They are half way there. Of course Gaza is an Egyptian city and now that the Brotherhood controls both ;it would seem to be the next logical step.

You will recall Tom that Gaza was once a protectorate or some such of Egypt, but they didn't want it back when Israel moved out. Recent moves by Egypt haven't exactly being sympathetic. The people of Gaza aren't Egyptian but Palestinians from various parts of Palestine a couple of generations removed. I doubt their politics fits in