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Wondergirl · Sep 18, 2012, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Yes Tal until the teachers decided they didn't need PTA "advice"

That's because the moms went to work in the late '70s and early '80s, deserting the schools and taking away the volunteer strength. I had kids in 1970 and 1975 and was a school volunteer during the height and then the end of school volunteering. Our school of 275 had 68 mom and dad volunteers doing tutoring, paper grading, lunch and playground monitoring, classroom tutors and mods, art and music volunteer programs, you name it.

paraclete · Sep 18, 2012, 09:55 PM

And what did you get? Schools full of morons with no respect for anything

Wondergirl · Sep 18, 2012, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

and what did you get? schools full of morons with no respect for anything

Nope. It gave the teachers time to prepare and actually teach and not have to busy themselves with mundane duties. Handwriting, art, music, recess, gym class, a half-hour lunch period were all part of the regular school day. Plus, parents were very visible as volunteers, so behavior was much better. And the students knew both teachers and parents cared and wanted to see their best work.

TUT317 · Sep 19, 2012, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Tut,

Finding certain aspects of intellectualism troublesome does not preclude my support for intellectual pursuits.

Steve

That's good to hear.

Going on Santorum's C.V. I would say he has many intellectual pursuits. However, he must think there is some political milage in pushing this anti-intellectual line.

Tut

tomder55 · Sep 19, 2012, 04:32 AM

Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

paraclete · Sep 19, 2012, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Nope. It gave the teachers time to prepare and actually teach and not have to busy themselves with mundane duties. Handwriting, art, music, recess, gym class, a half-hour lunch period were all part of the regular school day. Plus, parents were very visible as volunteers, so behavior was much better. And the students knew both teachers and parents cared and wanted to see their best work.

How's that working out for you?

talaniman · Sep 19, 2012, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

I couldn't disagree more as it seems a lack of willingness to compromise that's gumming up the works here, and its not the egg heads in Ivy town that say my way, or the highway.

excon · Sep 19, 2012, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

Hello again, tom:

You may be fine with STUPID politicians making laws that effect your life, but I'm not. As long as your side reserves its "disdain" for the elite, and the educated, your side will remain STUPID.

Do I have disdain for the stupid? Not as long as the stupid aren't running my life.

excon

paraclete · Sep 19, 2012, 06:44 AM

Ex stupid is someone who thinks he can succeed without people

speechlesstx · Sep 19, 2012, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

You may be fine with STUPID politicians making laws that effect your life, but I'm not. As long as your side reserves its "disdain" for the elite,

That's just plain funny coming from those who supported the collective hissy fit protesting the "1 percent" known as the Occupy movement. I thought disdain for the elite was a good thing.

and the educated, your side will remain STUPID.

Do I have disdain for the stupid? Not as long as the stupid aren't running my life.

Excon

No one has disdain for education, unless you're an Islamist that wants his women stupid, I have disdain for the liberal education system we have that produces Obots that try to force their students to sign a pledge to vote for Obama, argues with their students, browbeats a little white girl for supporting McCain and teach them to sing the praises of Barack.

Why shouldn't I be pi$$ed at that?

NeedKarma · Sep 19, 2012, 07:33 AM

That's 3 dumb teachers that are Obots, the rest must be conservative. You guys have the advantage actually.

paraclete · Sep 19, 2012, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

No one has disdain for education, unless you're an Islamist that wants his women stupid, I have disdain for the liberal education system we have that produces Obots that try to force their students to sign a pledge to vote for Obama, argues with their students, browbeats a little white girl for supporting McCain and teach them to sing the praises of Barack.

Why shouldn't I be pi$$ed at that?

So the quality of liberty is somewhat strained and this sort of behaviour is a failure of education and those who teach

talaniman · Sep 19, 2012, 05:03 PM

Loonys left and right.The point is..

TUT317 · Sep 20, 2012, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Tut ,it's the opposite . It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoloy on the correct way to structure society and govern it . Look at the disdain shown here for the 'stupid ','dumb' etc. . That is prevalent among the left .

Hummm. Seems to Operate both ways.

"It's the Ivy League egg heads who think they have a monopoly on the correct way to structure society and govern it".

A little bit of disdain here, Tom?

Tut

tomder55 · Sep 20, 2012, 05:05 AM

Just giving some back . We are not a nation of elites ;financial , educationally .

NeedKarma · Sep 20, 2012, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

just giving some back . We are not a nation of elites ;financial , educationally .

And that's pretty much what the Occupy movement was saying.

tomder55 · Sep 20, 2012, 05:13 AM

What were they looking for ? More government cheese.

excon · Sep 20, 2012, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

what were they looking for ? more government cheese.

Hello tom:

We were looking to put the banksters in jail... Even Ronald Reagan went after 'em. What?? You LIKE getting ripped off?

excon

NeedKarma · Sep 20, 2012, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

what were they looking for ? more government cheese.

Nope, they believe that those financial elites in the corporate world and the government have a disproportional influence on all matters that have curtailed economic mobility.

tomder55 · Sep 20, 2012, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello tom:

We were looking to put the banksters in jail... Even Ronald Reagan went after 'em. What??? You LIKE getting ripped off?

excon

I'm the one who says the banks should've been allowed to fail. So long as the country continues to embrace moral hazard then we will continue to have "banksters".. Want to put people in jail ? How about the public servants who were bribed (hello Frank and Dodd!! ) .