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    Sep 17, 2012, 01:54 PM
    Bathroom GFCI's in commercial bathrooms
    I have 4 bathrooms with an outlet next to each sink in a commercial space that will eventually be a production studio. Do I have to run a dedicated 20 Amp circuit to each GFI or can they be daisy chained together?
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    Sep 17, 2012, 03:45 PM
    If they are already there why does it matter?
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    Sep 17, 2012, 04:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by stanfortyman View Post
    If they are already there why does it matter?
    I guess I should have been more clear. I have to rough wire 4 bathrooms . They are not wired yet . I'm pretty sure in 210 it says that commercial bathrooms do not need an outlet. Just wanted to confirm
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    Sep 17, 2012, 05:20 PM
    You are right. There is no minimum requirement for non-dwelling type bathrooms.
    You can do whatever you want.
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    Sep 17, 2012, 07:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Emrazz View Post
    I guess I should have been more clear. I have to rough wire 4 bathrooms . They are not wired yet . I'm pretty sure in 210 it says that commercial bathrooms do not need an outlet. Just wanted to confirm
    There's no print? Ask the GC if he wants them in there, or the owner might want them. We always put one in there, people like to use blow dryers and shavers at work. You do have to have an occupancy sensor to control the light and a manual override for the occupancy sensor per title 24

    We've been using these
    http://www.legrand.us/~/media/48384B...bc=ffffff&as=0
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    Sep 18, 2012, 03:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by shuntripper View Post
    You do have to have an occupancy sensor to control the light and a manual override for the occupancy sensor per title 24
    Did title 24 get passed nation wide? I hope not.
    If it did I'm moving to Canada!
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    Sep 18, 2012, 04:03 AM
    ... and you thought Jersey was difficult...
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    Sep 18, 2012, 04:22 AM
    To answer your question:


    Quote Originally Posted by Emrazz View Post
    I have 4 bathrooms with an outlet next to each sink in a commercial space that will eventually be a production studio. Do I have to run a dedicated 20 Amp circuit to each GFI or can they be daisy chained together?
    A well designed system would consist of a dedicated 20 Amp circuit to each GFI outlet.

    Imagine , since there are four sinks, and it is a production studio, all four could easily be used at the same time, or at least two used at once.

    Standard hair dryers are 1500 to 1800 watts ,each. Only one can operate at once on one 20 Amp circuit.

    If there are plans and specs, refer this question to the designer.

    If this is design/build, you are responsible to provide a working system.

    Consider if you owned the production studio, what would you expect?

    Regarding the discussion of Title 24, this is the California Energy Code, and only applicable and enforceable in California.

    However, most, if not all states, have their own energy conservation code, that need to be reviewed and included in any building design.

    I am not sure moving to Canada would be any better.

    I will stay here in Maine, surrounded by an arsenal.
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    Sep 18, 2012, 04:40 AM
    Just to make it clear. I was basing my answers solely on code, not design or convenience.
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    Sep 18, 2012, 04:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by stanfortyman View Post
    Did title 24 get passed nation wide?? I hope not.
    If it did I'm moving to Canada!
    OP didn't say where he was, anyway you'll get it eventually, California is what you'll get if you keep voting for the usual suspects
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    Sep 18, 2012, 04:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by stanfortyman View Post
    You are right. There is no minimum requirement for non-dwelling type bathrooms.
    You can do whatever you want.
    Thank you!
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    Sep 18, 2012, 01:06 PM
    Looks like you heard what you wanted.

    Stan is correct, I have absolutely no dispute with what he offered.

    Low bidder gets the job, and buyer beware.

    Just my opinion.
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    Sep 18, 2012, 08:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tkrussell View Post

    I will stay here in Maine, surrounded by an arsenal.
    Tk, just a question, I've heard in parts of Maine you inspect your own work... Is that true?
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    Sep 19, 2012, 02:30 AM
    Only with Residential , when there is no local city inspector, the master electrician will apply for a permit and when signing off will assume all liability and responsibility that all is done per Code. The utility will inspect the service entrance only.

    Commercial and industrial, again, when no local city inspector, we apply for a state permit, and state inspector will inspect.

    I will say, outside of the larger cities, it is a bit lax, but they treat us as the professionals and expect us to assume all liability.

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