[speechlesstx]

He forced her to have sex, or she was willing?

Really? So even if she had consensual sex with him the first time it's ok that he abused, nearly killed her and has left her permanently scarred emotionally and physically?

You people make no sense. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. True liberal empathy on grand display. War on women my a$$, you don't care about women at all.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I dunno... The horny scumbag who, my daughter willingly slept with, and IS going to be IN my grandchild's life FOREVER, is WAYYYY different than than a VIOLENT RAPIST who TOOK what he wanted...

If anything, you confirmed my belief that the right wing has NO CLUE about women. You MIRRORED what this right wing kook said, and you MIRROR what Todd Akin BELIEVES about rape.

excon

Again, you also believe my daughter ASKED for it and DESERVED to be infected with HIV and ABUSED and NEGLECTED to the point of near death from AIDS.

Unbelievable.

[Wondergirl]

Really? So even if she had consensual sex with him the first time it's ok that he abused, nearly killed her and has left her permanently scarred emotionally and physically?

You people make no sense. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. True liberal empathy on grand display. War on women my a$$, you don't care about women at all.

Um, I am a woman. And you said the sex was not a rape situation; therefore, she was willing. "The first time"?

[excon]

Again, you also believe my daughter ASKED for it

Hello again, Steve:

Unless your daughter was raped, YES she asked for it. That you are unable to come to grips with that speaks LOUDLY about how CLUELESS the right wing is about women..

That you believe we think what happened to her, as a result of her consent, is FINE, is further evidence of your hysteria about this issue.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Um, I am a woman. And you said the sex was not a rape situation; therefore, she was willing. "The first time"?

Are you really that obtuse? To be honest I never asked her, it doesn't cure her of AIDS.

But OK, I'll just come right out and say it - I have no problem equating domestic abuse with rape, in fact it just may be worse. At least with the victim of rape she usually doesn't have to live with the guy in fear every day -day after day after day. And as a dad I can relate how this man felt at the thought of someone violating his daughter, her willingness is irrelevant to him... it still hurts.

But trust me, I won't count on any of you to have empathy for my daughter or the slightest clue about how it feels to her dad. I just hope none of you have to go through a similar experience because it's hell.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Unless your daughter was raped, YES she asked for it. That you are unable to come to grips with that speaks LOUDLY about how CLUELESS the right wing is about women..

That you believe we think what happened to her, as a result of her consent, is FINE, is further evidence of your hysteria about this issue.

excon

I'm done, I am sitting here not believing what I'm reading from you. After all those pages of saying the woman didn't deserve it you're all arguing that my daughter did in your phony war on women meme.

You know nothing.

[excon]

But trust me, I won't count on any of you to have empathy for my daughter or the slightest clue about how it feels to her dad.

Hello again, Steve:

Quit playing the victim card... You KNOW us.. You KNOW we care.

You talk about straw men... What happened to your daughter is NOT the subject of this thread. She's a straw girl. This is about Republicans, and RAPE and their need to victimize the woman AGAIN by FORCING her to carry a rapists baby to term...

excon

[Wondergirl]

I'm done, I am sitting here not believing what I'm reading from you. After all those pages of saying the woman didn't deserve it you're all arguing that my daughter did in your phony war on women meme.

You know nothing.

No one said she deserved it. We are wondering why she chose to have sex with this person.

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, your daughter ASKED for sex. No, she doesn't deserve what happened as a result, and nobody said she does.. Why didn't she make him wear a condom? Did you TEACH her about condoms? Or did you teach her about abstinence??

excon

[Magpie95]

First of all he didn't equate the two, he spoke that as a father it's similar to HIM. I can relate to that feeling as a dad who loves his daughter.

But apparently you guys are perfect parents or don't give a rat's a$$ if your daughter is sleeping around

Wow. That was a big leap. They aren't similar at all. Rape is a violent act unasked for by the victim.
Have casual sex is not a sin in my book. So, long as you are educated and take precautions. A persons decisions are their own. That being said no one deserves HIV. I don't see that anyone has said that. The point we are discussing is rape or not. Premartial sex is not similar to rape... if it was, it would put all the fault on the man every time.. even though the woman was a willing participate. That isn't right. Or maybe saying they are similar is to say the woman is equally responsible for having been raped as if she just had willing premaritial sex... which is more absurd.

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Perhaps, I need to purchase a burka.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Yes, your daughter ASKED for sex. No, she doesn't deserve what happened as a result, and nobody said she does.. Why didn't she make him wear a condom? Did you TEACH her about condoms? Or did you teach her about abstinence???

excon

So years of physical and psychological abuse and neglect is nothing like rape when the parent is a conservative? My daughter ASKED for sex, I must have been absent or a bad parent. There's no way that guy posing as a knight in shining armor might have used fear, shame, and guilt to intimidate and control my daughter - it's our fault.

You know nothing.

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Quit playing the victim card... You KNOW us.. You KNOW we care.

You talk about straw men... What happened to your daughter is NOT the subject of this thread. She's a straw girl. This is about Republicans, and RAPE and their need to victimize the woman AGAIN by FORCING her to carry a rapists baby to term...

excon

No sir, I am not a victim, my daughter was. It may not have been literal, physical rape, I don't really know. I'd certainly say she was psychologically and emotionally raped for years. But it was you who brought up the issue of a man expressing how he felt "as a father" even as he denied the equation you want to make. I know how he feels, someone violated his daughter just like someone violated my daughter.

[speechlesstx]

Wow. That was a big leap. They aren't similar at all. Rape is a violent act unasked for by the victim..

And again, my daughter asked to be abused for years? What the hell are you people not getting here?

[NeedKarma]

And again, my daughter asked to be abused for years? What the hell are you people not getting here?

Well one of the differences is that in a case of abuse you have the option to get away from it, you don't have that option during rape. How long was she together with him?

[excon]

And again, my daughter asked to be abused for years? What the hell are you people not getting here?

Hello again, Steve:

My mom was abused by her second husband ONE time... I paid him a visit.. He never touched her again.. Where were you?

excon

[Magpie95]

And again, my daughter asked to be abused for years? What the hell are you people not getting here?

No one said she deserved it. Its just not the topic of the thread. I can't imagine what you are going through. But you initially didn't mention the abuse. Yes, that is a big problem. Not what we were discussing, but a huge problem that again involves violence upon women. If your daughter was pregnant due to this domestic violence, I would support her right to decide what to do about it.
As for HIV, it's a separate issue. Albeit, terrible still.
You are obivously too angry to think clearly, if you think anyone on here has suggested she deserved it!

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

My mom was abused by her second husband ONE time... I paid him a visit.. He never touched her again.. Where were you?

excon

Oh, back to my fault again. I was 2000 miles away. Do you understand domestic abuse at all?

[NeedKarma]

It's no ones fault but the perp's but we can't equal domestic abuse to rape.

[Magpie95]

Why are we on domestic violence? And how does it relate to the war on women? Has there been any policy changes/attempts that effect the topic?
Has a politician came out and said that domestic violence is also the same as premaritial sex? If so, speechlesstx, I am with you in being dumbfounded by that too.

[Magpie95]

It's no ones fault but the perp's but we can't equal domestic abuse to rape.

Well, unless as part of the domestic abuse, the daughter was raped by her husband. You can still be raped by your spouse. Not sure if that is what happened in this case.