[smoothy]

Look at Kalifornistan... the Anti-business movement has been really effective there... how many cities have or are reaady to file for bakrupcy so far as a result of collapsing tax revenue?

[speechlesstx]

Not sure how you got there from what I said, but no I still like clean air, clean water and I despite plastic bags flying from trees and Styrofoam cups blowing into my yard.

I was hinting that you once again missed the obvious. The OP quotes two climate change dudes and neither give credit to the environmental rules.

Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University, said the shift away from coal is reason for "cautious optimism" about potential ways to deal with climate change. He said it demonstrates that "ultimately people follow their wallets" on global warming.

"There's a very clear lesson here. What it shows is that if you make a cleaner energy source cheaper, you will displace dirtier sources," said Roger Pielke Jr. a climate expert at the University of Colorado

Cheap natural gas is the reason for the decline, not EPA rules.

[NeedKarma]

"There's a very clear lesson here. What it shows is that if you make a cleaner energy source cheaper, you will displace dirtier sources," said Roger Pielke Jr. a climate expert at the University of Colorado

So if someone finds a cheaper alternative product they will use it? That's brilliant. And it's exactly part of the plan.

[paraclete]

So if someone finds a cheaper alternative product they will use it? That's brilliant. And it's exactly part of the plan.

Karma, there have been cheaper ways of producing energy for two hundred years and they haven't seen the light of day because it leads to lower corporate profits. Those who dig coal and drill oil don't want cheaper energy. They have locked up many innovations to shore up their industries. This is the day of the dinosaur and soon they will be extinct

[tomder55]

Take off the tin foil hat . If there was an inexpensive ,abundant source of energy to replace oil, coal ,and gas it would already dominate the market.

[paraclete]

No Tom it is you who need to take off the blinkers and understand how corrupt the capitalist system is

[smoothy]

No Tom it is you who need to take off the blinkers and understand how corrupt the capitalist system is

And the Socialist or Communist system is better? Just look at CHina, Cuba and Russia as proof, they set the bar for Corrupt.

[NeedKarma]

And the Socialist or Communist system is better?

I don't think he was alluding to communism being a better system. I think he was referring to the fact that large corporations have their whole business model and large investments tied to the fossil fuels. You can bet they will do whatever they can to protect that... and they have very deep pockets and have purchased politicians that will vote their way.

[smoothy]

I don't think he was alluding to communism being a better system. I think he was referring to the fact that large corporations have their whole business model and large investments tied to the fossil fuels. You can bet they will do whatever they can to protect that...and they have very deep pockets and have purchased politicians that will vote their way.

Not just big business... but small business, Mom and Pop stores, and nearly every private citizen does too.

[speechlesstx]

I don't think he was alluding to communism being a better system. I think he was referring to the fact that large corporations have their whole business model and large investments tied to the fossil fuels. You can bet they will do whatever they can to protect that...and they have very deep pockets and have purchased politicians that will vote their way.

So what's the cheaper, feasible alternative?

[NeedKarma]

So what's the cheaper, feasible alternative?

We'll likely never know.

[speechlesstx]

Why is that?

[smoothy]

I think Al Gore bought it and is sitting on it so he can get rich on his carbon credit scam.

[tomder55]

The left has 'faith' that a cheaper ,safer ,abundant alternate is out there somewhere if they would just spend enough taxpayer money tilting at windmills . Someone invented a flux capacitor years ago and is keeping it on the shelf until the earth is sucked dry of all carbon based energy sources. Someone also perfected cold fusion. All that is needed is enough dilithium crystals .Just plug those crystals into the matter/anti-matter reactor and voilà ! We go warped !

[NeedKarma]

Why is that?

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3246813

[talaniman]

LOL, you guys are funny. Until research and development delivers them a sure winner, big oil, and coal will drill baby drill, and dig baby dig.

What you really think BIG oil, and coal is going to spend profits on massive infrastructure and battery technology? Don't be silly.

Hell, they don't build bridges, roads, or rail for their own use, nor invest in education to get good employees. They let taxpayers do that, as they seek to increase visas for ready made import of cheap labor to take American jobs.

So we sit, dirty energy doesn't want to fund clean energy development through cap and trade. So they buy politicians to do the dirty work for them, and spend a lot of loot for commercials fighting change, and progress to keep adding to their bottom line. And still get taxpayer subsidies to do it!

Just like the church. But on a business level.

[tomder55]

What you really think BIG oil, and coal is going to spend profits on massive infrastructure and battery technology? Don't be silly.

Of course they do... they are 1st and foremost energy companies . There is a tremendous amt of R&D work being done by the major energy companies on the alternate sources.

[NeedKarma]

Of course they do ...they are 1st and foremost energy companies .

No they are not, they are corporations my friend. Thus they are ONLY interested in making profits.

[tomder55]

Of course profits are their motives and to increase their profits they need to grow their businesses in support of meeting global energy demands. And because they are about about profits, they have the capital necessary to make significant investments in promising technologies ,and to make them profitable too. That is why it is more likely that their investments in alternates will bear fruit long before all these government attempts.

[speechlesstx]

No they are not, they are corporations my friend. Thus they are ONLY interested in making profits.

I wouldn't say ONLY, but again I'm just amazed that so many of you don't understand making profits is why they're in business. LOL, DUH!!