[talaniman]

Thanks, Ex, Takes a village to raise these righties.

[NeedKarma]

...and that "This isn't the horse and buggy era any more"? .

You're the one who quotes Addams [Jane Addams (September 6, 1860 – May 21, 1935)]. That's what I was referring to. I accept your apology.

[speechlesstx]

You're the one who quotes Addams [Jane Addams (September 6, 1860 – May 21, 1935)]. That's what I was referring to. I accept your apology.

I quote Jesus sometimes, too. Obama quotes Lincoln. So what. I won't apologize for you insulting me.

[NeedKarma]

But you are regressive! LOL.

[speechlesstx]

But you are regressive! LOL.

Still insisting on the personal insults. Keep it up, I really don't care if you enjoy looking like an a$$.

[excon]

Hello again,

I have power. I'd LOVE to use it... It's the ONLY place in my life where I have any..

Look. What's remarkable is that we've been able to keep this conversation alive for YEARS! Yes, it gets heated. It SHOULD. Yes, sometimes words slip out... But, I don't believe ANY of it is personal...

So, STOP the snarkness, or I'll USE my power.

excon

[NeedKarma]

Still insisting on the personal insults. Keep it up, I really don't care if you enjoy looking like an a$$.

I meant the GOP of course.

[speechlesstx]

Uh huh.

[TUT317]

Tut, did you stop to think that perhaps Obama and his progressive influences and cohorts are the ones who have expanded on and taken Addams beyond what was intended?

To answer your question

Yes, I did think about it. In fact I said on a couple of occasions that Obama may well be a collectivist.

Perhaps I could try my question again??

How is Addam's supporting Obama's contention that:

"You didn't build that..."

Tut

P.S. Sorry, but I just have this dislike for quotes out of context.

[TUT317]

LOL, who the hell makes a political career on what some dame said decades ago? It doesn't matter what she said. Heck, a lot of people might have agreed with her, but some don't. Who cares and why is it relevant?

It actually matters a lot for a number of reasons.

When misquoting it is always useful to pick someone who is an authority on a particular issue. This way it has more of a chance to mislead the reader.

It seems to be a favourite pastime of people who set up websites with a particular political perspective. A lot of times they are links that are provided in this forum as some type of evidence. It is not evidence of any type.

People such as Addams have contributed to our store of knowledge. Knowledge is a accumulative process. The only way it can accumulate is when we acknowledge a persons position on certain issues and then build our own theories based on the stated understanding.

We all have opinions, so quoting past people is their opinion, and it may not be as wrong as yours, or mine. Hell its only an opinion what she was trying to say! Just like you quoting Obama, and giving your opinion, some agree, I don't. Difference is he has come out and said you guys were blowing smoke about what he said and meant. She can't! The press has run the whole quote, and you guys just seem to be wrong, but thats just MY opinion.

Well actually she can because I would defend Addams position in relation to the whole, not building it yourself thing. Doesn't really matter who says it so long as it is said right.

Tut

[paraclete]

This thread has degenerated into he said she said

[talaniman]

It actually matters a lot for a number of reasons.

When misquoting it is always useful to pick someone who is an authority on a particular issue. This way it has more of a chance to mislead the reader.

It seems to be a favourite pastime of people who set up websites with a particular political perspective. A lot of times they are links that are provided in this forum as some type of evidence. It is not evidence of any type.

People such as Addams have contributed to our store of knowledge. Knowledge is a accumulative process. The only way it can accumulate is when we acknowledge a persons position on certain issues and then build our own theories based on the stated understanding.



Well actually she can because I would defend Addams position in relation to the whole, not building it yourself thing. Doesn't really matter who says it so long as it is said right.

Tut

I can get with what you are saying, but its so hard to be objective when you have part of the truth, no context, or worse intentional misleading or a hidden agenda. Its really hard to breakdown a complex issue with simple facts.

Hard to connect dots with out ALL the dots, or the context of how they fit. Even with a manual, a guide, like the Constitution, we still have many ways to interpret what is written.

[speechlesstx]

To answer your question

Yes, I did think about it. In fact I said on a couple of occasions that Obama may well be a collectivist.

Perhaps I could try my question again???

How is Addam's supporting Obama's contention that:

"You didn't build that..."

Tut

P.S. Sorry, but I just have this dislike for quotes out of context.

I don't know that Addams is supporting Obama's contention or not, I'm saying Obama cherry picks from the "store of knowledge" to justify his policies.

[speechlesstx]

I can get with what you are saying, but its so hard to be objective when you have part of the truth, no context, or worse intentional misleading or a hidden agenda. Its really hard to breakdown a complex issue with simple facts.

Actually the problem here for you guys is Obama was honest instead of veiling his intent with the usual code words.

Hard to connect dots with out ALL the dots, or the context of how they fit. Even with a manual, a guide, like the Constitution, we still have many ways to interpret what is written.

Like this "wall of separation" thing (which isn't even in the constitution) your side uses to say God is banned from government, but ignores when it comes to forcing the church to violate her conscience?

[NeedKarma]

Like this "wall of separation" thing (which isn't even in the constitution) your side uses to say God is banned from government, but ignores when it comes to forcing the church to violate her conscience?

Not applicable to churches, only to companies.

[speechlesstx]

Not applicable to churches, only to companies.

The same old lie that's been repeated here ad nauseum. Catholic Charities is not a business.

[NeedKarma]

The same old lie that's been repeated here ad nauseum. Catholic Charities is not a business.

How does it affect them if they are doing charity work and not offering insurance?

[TUT317]

I don't know that Addams is supporting Obama's contention or not, I'm saying Obama cherry picks from the "store of knowledge" to justify his policies.

Would you consider removing or changing your first signature quote?

The two quotes are not compatible. It is somewhat misleading.

Tut

[speechlesstx]

Would you consider removing or changing your first signature quote?

The two quotes are not compatible. It is somewhat misleading.

Tut

We have a pac blaming a guy for the death of a woman where none of the facts add up and a campaign outright lying about what they knew, but you and ex are more concerned about my signature because it may be "somewhat misleading"??

Really??

[NeedKarma]

really???

:-)