[speechlesstx]

and people are going on disability ;not because they are disabled ;but because their extended unemployment benefits have ended .
We are swiftly creating another permanent dependency class.

And that's the "Julia" plan at work.

[excon]

What we'll have is Greece and everyone demanding where their Obama money is.

Hello again, Steve:

I wonder if going without power for 8 days has anything to do with firing city and state employees? Nahhh.

excon

[paraclete]

8 days without power, is that a third world country or what?

[smearcase]

How can you tell if it is an unemployed person undeservedly going on disability or a disabled person finally having to seek disability status, that is, a disabled person who has been gainfully employed all their life, but can no longer find a job? I don't know-I'm asking, but I do know of a disabled lady in that situation now.

[tomder55]

SSDI was expanded by Congress in the fall of 2008 and took effect in 2009 .Perhaps what ailed the lady in 2008 was not covered and now is. (just a guess)
This expansion comes at a very fortuitous time for the administration because it takes more jobless off the unemployment stats. The 8+% that has been holding steady despite the lack of job creation masks a real unemployment rate that rivals the Roosevelt era.

[paraclete]

The real unemployment rate is what you find in congress

[smearcase]

Fair comment, tom.
Curiously enough, this lady in her late 50's was tossed on the street by a church, after 27 years of service to the church, having been supervised by about six diff ministers (who worked around her limitations) over all those years with no problems.
It is very possible that the church authorities saw a way to reduce their costs (a bigger problem now than ever for churches) by getting rid of someone who had health and life insurance benefits, by dictating working conditions to her that they knew she couldn't meet because of her disabilities. Her replacement is a part-timer with no benefits, so the church is now saving about $ 20K per year (prob more) in salary and benefits.
So, I guess the church board and minister feel that they made quite a coy move, while she has filed for bankruptcy, has no health or life insurance, will wait for five months to see a single cent from SSI, and thereafter have to live on about 50% of what she had been earning.
And to top it off, they knew that by making her resign because she couldn't meet the new conditions of employment they had established, they were in effect proving her case at SSI, for her.
Hadn't considered a lot of that until you folks brought it up, but maybe that is a popular technique now.

[tomder55]

The only thing I can say ,not knowing any of the facts ,and not disputing yours is that the woman got the shaft . I wish her well . My advice is that there are clear laws against discrimination due to disability ,and she should pursue a grevience. .

That being said ; we are talking about 85,000 newly desginated disabled in a month. If those greedy bass turd corporatists were discarding their employees under the pretext of disability, then you know the press would be all over that story line.

[paraclete]

The only thing I can say ,not knowing any of the facts ,and not disputing yours is that the woman got the shaft . I wish her well . My advice is that there are clear laws against discrimination due to disability ,and she should persue a grevience. .

That being said ; we are talking about 85,000 newly desginated disabled in a month. If those greedy bass turd corporatists were discarding their employees under the pretext of disability, then you know the press would be all over that story line.

Don't worry Tom it helps the unemployment statistics in a short time your government will change the definition of disability and force all these people back to work

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

I wonder if going without power for 8 days has anything to do with firing city and state employees?? Nahhh.

excon

Since that would in most cases be the power company's responsibility to get it up and running again, no.

[smearcase]

Ex,

As an old highway engineer, I would say that roads blocked by fallen trees, and/or large limbs would be an indication of lack of road funds and employees to manage the culling of trees that used to be removed on a regular basis before they became a hazard to both vehicles and adjacent power lines.

[excon]

Hello again, smear:

Of course, the cutback in the cities has something to do with it. Was this a HURRICANE?? Come on. It was a summer storm. 9 DAYS??

There's ONE thing good about it... Washington, DC is in the middle of it.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Dude, you may get a lot of rain but apparently you don't have a clue to the severity of a monstrous thunderstorm. But a cut in public workers has nothing to do with it. The government's role in this is to "fume" or fine.

Power outages drag on in D.C. region; officials fuming at utility companies

Do we have enough bureaucrats to "fume?" I think so, take the Maryland governor for instance:

“Nobody will have their boot further up Pepco’s backside than I will,” said Md. Gov. Martin O’Malley (D).

Dems seem to have a thing for putting boots on necks or up a$$es of corporations when they don't (or can't) bend to their will.

[speechlesstx]

Since ex found a liking to charts I thought I'd offer him up a couple...





I reckon that's why Obama wants a tax increase - to pay for all the new wards of the federal government he's creating.

P.S. Did you know the guy that's slamming Romney for outsourcing jobs invests in businesses that LOVE outsourcing?

[speechlesstx]

You just can't make this stuff up. After giving a speech in Austin, taking credit for killing bin Laden again apparently on his own (he built that), preaching his "bottom up" economics, and slamming Romney for outsourcing jobs - he trudged over to a "ruthless" outsourcer's house for another $25,000 a plate fundraiser.

After giving a speech in Austin, Texas in which he decried Mitt Romney for overseeing companies that outsourced jobs, President Obama attended a fundraiser hosted by Tom Meredith, a former Dell executive who once oversaw outsourcing at his own company — and said he would be "ruthless" about cutting costs.

In 2001, while serving as senior vice president of Dell Computer Corp, Meredith defended plans to lay off between 3,000 and 4,000 employees — largely in Texas — while sparing about 4,000 jobs in Asia Pacific. When that strategy was reported by the tech press at the time Meredith defended the move.

"We will be ruthless in how we address our cost structure," Meredith said, a comment that drew wide attention at the time.

Just curious, who outsourced more jobs? Mitt or the "ruthless" obot?

[tomder55]

Talk about a yawner... this outsourcing stuff is much ado about nothing . Dell and Apple ,and every other company manufacturing overseas does so so they can hire thousands of workers around the country to sell ,and service to hundreds of thousands of American customers who desire inexpensive electronic devices in the United States . Do they want American wages to shrink to the levels necessary to compete ? No . Would the American consumer purchase the devices if the prices reflected American wages ? No . So who would the American manfacturer be selling to exactly ?

[excon]

So who would the American manfacturer be selling to exactly ?

Hello tom:

One needs to ask, did SOMEBODY outsource, or did the economy REQUIRE him to outsource. I say it's the economy. That's WHY I agree with you, tom, that nobody would buy American made goods because they're too expensive... Fact is, the jobs AREN'T coming back.

Therefore, we need a NEW industry that'll take up the slack and allow us to KEEP our middle class, instead of watching it waste away.. This is where government needs to lead the way. Why?? Well, isn't the private money is sitting on the sidelines because of "uncertainty"? Besides, as you suggest, the seeds of a new green industry aren't yet ripe enough for private investment... That AGAIN, is another reason why government needs to invest.

The problem we're going to have is similar to the question, who invented the internet... I say government. You say private industry... It can't be both. In your world, there's NO place for government investment, apparently, in ANYTHING.. You know, Julia and all..

I suggest that if we followed your lead, all those numbers I posted on another thread about how the US is in decline, will PLUNGE!

excon

[tomder55]

In your world, there's NO place for government investment, apparently, in ANYTHING.

Another clear distortion of my position. What I do not like EVER is government subsidizing ;favoring one industry or company over another . If the government is going to invest in science ,exploration ,or R&D then fine .There is a place for it... But the government tried to force an industry onto the market when there is clearly no sufficient demand ,and the technology is not ready . It was a complete waste of taxpayer's money(not the government's money)

[excon]

and the technology is not ready .

Hello again, tom:

As much as I'd like, I can't remember every position you've taken on every issue... IF I've distorted your position, it's inadvertent.

We've argued this point before... You think the technology will get ready on its own accord.. I think investment will PROMPT it.

excon

[paraclete]

Dell and Apple ,and every other company manufacturing overseas does so so they can hire thousands of workers around the country to sell ,and service to hundreds of thousands of American customers who desire inexpensive electronic devices in the United States

Got to call you on this one, Tom, there is no alturistic motive to the service the unemployed and the potential customers. There is stark reality that the Dell structure employes the least number of people possible in pursuing their business which is to undercut their competition.
The people don't buy a locally made product because they know they can get it cheaper from Dell. So much for job creation , wise up, it is job destruction