[excon]

Hello:

I got a feeling. That's all it is... But, there's evidence too. You'll dispute it. You always do.. But, our great experiment with liberalism is over.. Hell, even the WORD is demonized these days.

Our attempt to desegregate our schools has failed. There isn't any effort afoot to restart it.. Republicans say, "Racism??? What racism??" But, it's there, and it's WORSE today.

I could go on, and as the thread develops, I hope to... It's NOT just about race. It's about money.. It's about power. I wonder if anybody else has this feeling?

excon

[Wondergirl]

And with money and power comes entitlement. And with entitlement comes "I'm better than you are. You are the dirt under my shoes."

[excon]

"I'm better than you are. You are the dirt under my shoes."

Hi Carol:

"You are the 47% who pay NO taxes. You are a teacher. The economy is YOUR fault. You need food stamps to feed your family. You're a leech."

excon

[Wondergirl]

Hi Carol:

"You are the 47% who pay NO taxes. You are a teacher. The economy is YOUR fault. You need food stamps to feed your family. You're a leech."

excon

Teachers pay taxes. Laid-off-teachers-out-of-work don't. And putting 50 students in one room with one teacher will lay off all those extra teachers who are draining the education coffers.

[excon]

Hi again, Carol:

Ok, so if I'm NOT dreaming, what are we going to do about it?

excon

[Wondergirl]

I'm telling all the telemarketers and anyone else who calls my house to vote Democrat in November. I'll be tele-campaigning this fall. I do resumes and job hunting help for free (the jobs ARE out there). I write letters or make calls when needed. I spend money to keep the economy going. Hmmm, I must be doing other stuff too.

[excon]

Hello again, Carol:

I know all that stuff... That's what we're all going to do.

What I want to know is what happens if Obama loses and the right wing takes over the Senate. They'll have their way with us, THAT'S what will happen. On another thread, I tried to sound the alarm... But, they poo pooed it. They said, what are you talking about? Nobody is going to DO that stuff... But, as soon as they had a few states under their belt, they did exactly that. It's CLEAR what their intention is, and it AIN'T liberal.

excon

[paraclete]

More alarmist politics Ex the big green goblin is going to eat you, but the way I see it Ex you are screwed either way

[cdad]

Hello again, Carol:

I know all that stuff... That's what we're all going to do.

What I wanna know is what happens if Obama loses and the right wing takes over the Senate. They'll have their way with us, THAT'S what will happen. On another thread, I tried to sound the alarm... But, they poo pooed it. They said, what are you talking about? Nobody is gonna DO that stuff... But, as soon as they had a few states under their belt, they did exactly that. It's CLEAR what their intention is, and it AIN'T liberal.

excon

You never know maybe things will actually get better again and heal some of the wounds created over the past few years. Obama is horrible as president and the only one truly happy about it is Carter.

[paraclete]

You never know maybe things will actually get better again and heal some of the wounds created over the past few years. Obama is horrible as president and the only one truely happy about it is Carter.

Carter, let's not do a retrospective here Obama is a populist, he thought healthcare reform was popular, he thinks bringing the troops home is popular, he thinks taxing the rich is popular, it is a great shame the most popular idea is regime change

[tomder55]

Ex ,it is your side that bastardized the word by replacing liberalism with radical progressive socialism. If liberalism had remained the philosophy that the founders recognized ,and was until the age of Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson then I would be a liberal .

If your great experiment with progressive socialism is over then good riddance. It's failures are on display all over the world.

[talaniman]

Nice big words but that you try to pin on us and make them bad things but if equality, and freedom are what you mean then I can live with the name calling. What the world is seeing is that conservatives love a dictatorship run by rich guys who can make laws to take our money to add to there's and tell us there ain't no money for your school, or roads.

Then they convince themselves that corporations are people too, with more rights than real people. Then you try and tell us that the church has more rights than us real people do. As long as its YOUR church. Then you tell us that we are lazy bums who should was dishes because there are no jobs. Then you holler about the job creators who are NOT creating jobs are to broke, and need MORE money.

Then you say the president is a dictator, socialist, and throw rocks at him and blame him for everything under the sun. Especially the stuff you righties break, and the messes you make.

What should we do about it? When you guys throw rocks, throw them back, and vote against the rock throwers. Why should we be dragged back to slavery? You want to be a slave, be my guest. I just ain't going with you righies.

Do you really think people will forget the wars, recessions and the hardships you have brought about? I don't think so, but you see that chance of taking over the world, with the house, senate, and oval office, wall street, the banks and the church in your greedy little hands, and you relentlessly pursue ALL the power and riches of the world. That's what the world sees. That's what I see too.

Bet your favorite show is "Pinky, and the Brain"! The show ends the same way no matter what scheme the brain hatches. Abject failure. That never stops him from trying though.

[tomder55]

Why should we be dragged back to slavery? You want to be a slave, be my guest. I just ain't going with you righies.

Your nanny state goals are nothing short of serfdom to the state.

[paraclete]

Why should we be dragged back to slavery? You want to be a slave, be my guest. I just ain't going with you righies.

He's right, the free market represents slavery and you are already slaves, wage slaves, liberalism represents fairness not the domination of the 1%

[talaniman]

Your nanny state goals are nothing short of serfdom to the state.

What you call the nanny state is what I call protection from conservative discrimination and bad uncaring behavior, whether INTENTIONAL, or not.

Best example, we would still have brutal cruel slavery had the south won the civil war. But make no mistake that the business model, and conservative attitudes and practices have made the tenants of slavery more nuanced and humane(?), but no less cruel and inhumane.

What you though taking the word slavery and call it capitalism would change the dynamics of master and slave?? The only difference is capitalism leaves no physical marks like whips and chains did. It gives you the power to tell the slaves do more work for less rewards, services, or benefits while you maximize the bottom line for a few greedy b@stards who put profit over/and at the expense of people.

That why anything that benefits the many is bad, and everything that benefits the few is a great idea.Thats why you righties call a nanny state a lousy idea, because it protects the many against the few. That's why you want it cut so bad, because its your thinking that crumbs is just to good for the slave class. Of which many of you righties are members of.

Righties love slavery, and are proud of being a slave, and will never understand why the rest of us think you are just plain... misguided.

he's right, the free market represents slavery and you are already slaves, wage slaves, liberalism represents fairness not the domination of the 1%

BINGO!!

[parttime]

What you call the nanny state is what I call protection from conservative discrimination and bad uncaring behavior, whether INTENTIONAL, or not.

Best example, we would still have brutal cruel slavery had the south won the civil war. But make no mistake that the business model, and conservative attitudes and practices have made the tenants of slavery more nuanced and humane(?), but no less cruel and inhumane.

What you though taking the word slavery and call it capitalism would change the dynamics of master and slave??? The only difference is capitalism leaves no physical marks like whips and chains did. It gives you the power to tell the slaves do more work for less rewards, services, or benefits while you maximize the bottom line for a few greedy b@stards who put profit over/and at the expense of people.

That why anything that benefits the many is bad, and everything that benefits the few is a great idea.Thats why you righties call a nanny state a lousy idea, because it protects the many against the few. Thats why you want it cut so bad, because its your thinking that crumbs is just to good for the slave class. Of which many of you righties are members of.

Righties love slavery, and are proud of being a slave, and will never understand why the rest of us think you are just plain.......................misguided.

Well said and absolutely true. Thanks and keep telling it like it is.

[tomder55]

I really can't help you guys if you don't know the difference between freely working for an employer ,and human bondage. You are right that whip marks is but one of the distinctions.

You would rather the masses as you call them beholden to the nanny state. Yeah I guess there are no whip marks in that arrangement either . But whereas I can chose my employer ,and negotiate other terms of my employment ;those beholden to the nanny state are not given that option. And you guys are perfectly happy with that arrangement . How many times have Iread on these boards that if the church takes tax breaks ,that they should just learn to love the unconstitutional terms the state applies to it.

If you think that capitalism is slavery ,then why would it matter to you which side won the Civil War ? The cynical view (which you seem to support) is that the North fought the war because the capitalists in the North thought there was an unfair trade practice in the South using slaves .

It is your side that through it's misguided policies has let the economy sink to what is now called the new normal of a permanent 8%+ unemployment rate ;and rapid acceleration towards a complete fiscal collapse with endless reckless spending .

So spare me the rhetoric that pits the worker against the employer . It is your side that prevents workers from having the choice of jobs .You would be thrilled if everyone was employed by the Leviatian or a permanent ward of the Leviathan.

And Clete ,your country is nothing more today than a colony of China. How is your nation going to survive when you can't sell your minerals to the Chinese who are now operating at zero growth or below ? You have your own masters it appears to me .

[paraclete]

Tom go tell it to the Chinese or the Indians in their sweat shops all that has happened is you have exported your slavery because some of your local slaves have worken up to you.

Tom you think Australia is a colony of China, why then do the Chinese object to our investment policies? We survived very well when we didn't sell minerals to the Chinese. You know little about Australia Tom and you just displayed your ignorance. Minimg is 5% of the Australian economy. We will even survive our FTA with the US which has done nothing for us. What riles you Tom is we are our own masters. We have developed a fairer approach than yours and shown that it works. We give the lie to all your rhetoric. We do have affordable health care, we do have public transport and public utilities, we do have low unemployment, we do have fair wages and it all operates within a capitalist system where exploitation isn't allowed. Ask Yourself, If our system is so wrong how come we have grown to be the thirteenth largest economy in the world? It isn't by digging holes in the ground.

Now Tom I think this is a marvellous insight

The North fought the war because the capitalists in the North thought there was an unfair trade practice in the South using slaves

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Freeing the slaves was an afterthought Tom a political manouvre. The North thought that by doing it there would be a slave revolt but it didn't happen

The North fought the war because they were challenged, some people said if that's your attitude we don't want to know you.

[cdad]

What you call the nanny state is what I call protection from conservative discrimination and bad uncaring behavior, whether INTENTIONAL, or not.

This is scary. It smacks the face of freedom. Do you actually want to live in a world where everything is outlawed unless it meets government approval?

We had a nanny state come to power before and when it reared its ugly head it was cut off. Do we really need that again? Obama has done more to attempt to shred the constitution then any other in history. In the name of protectionist nanny state. Do you really think the Washington elites know what's best for you or would you rather decide for yourself? If over population is the banner of the day do you really support the sterilization of millions of child bearing women? After all they do know better then you don't they?

Just how do you expect to pay for all the fairness you want to institute into law? Oh yeah that's right someone has to earn it by working for it. What a concept. The cradle to grave mentality has reached the end of the road and now stands on the edge looking over into the obis. Somehow someway we all need to start thinking again rather then just moving forward and calling names along the way then acting like nothing is wrong.

You might want to read up a bit on your utopian nanny state before you actually put it into place.

http://westerncivilizationandculture...nd-social.html

[paraclete]

This is scary. It smacks the face of freedom. Do you actually want to live in a world where everything is outlawed unless it meets govenment approval?

We had a nanny state come to power before and when it reared its ugly head it was cut off. Do we really need that again? Obama has done more to attempt to shred the constitution then any other in history. In the name of protectionist nanny state. Do you really think the Washington elites know whats best for you or would you rather decide for yourself? If over population is the banner of the day do you really support the sterilization of millions of child bearing women? After all they do know better then you dont they?

Just how do you expect to pay for all the fairness you want to institute into law? Oh yeah thats right someone has to earn it by working for it. What a concept. The cradle to grave mentality has reached the end of the road and now stands on the edge looking over into the obis. Somehow someway we all need to start thinking again rather then just moving forward and calling names along the way then acting like nothing is wrong.

You might want to read up a bit on your utopian nanny state before you actually put it into place.

Western Civilization and Culture: The Hitler Myth, Socialists And Social Democrats

Dad there are nanny states and there are controlled economies, what you are talking about is a controlled economy. Nanny state usually refers to a society that provides benefits to its citizens usually in exchange for higher levels of taxation. Sometimes this gets out of control as it has in Greece. The Universal Provider Syndrome is alive in many places and you can blame politicians for fastering it. Control is in the hands of the citizens they have the ability to change things