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    #381

    Feb 23, 2012, 09:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    when a baby's life is snuffed .
    Why is there a baby there in the first place?
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    #382

    Feb 23, 2012, 10:17 AM
    By the way ex, you should know better than to throw the radical tactics argument at me, you know I don't agree with such tactics. I'm not for the murder of an abortionist any more than I am for the murder of a baby. I don't scream at women, I listen and love. I don't fly banners showing pictures of dismembered babies and I don't do wanted posters, like your regime posts ghastly pics on packages of cigarettes.

    Heaven forbid someone smoke a cigarette without being warned of the potential ugliness, but let's not ask women to consider the life inside of them before snuffing it out.
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    #383

    Feb 23, 2012, 11:17 AM
    Why is there a baby there in the first place?
    I don't understand the relevance of this question .If you have dominion over whether a baby lives or dies in the womb then why not after birth ? Oh I know your President voted in Illinois to snuff out babies who survived botched abortions... but I mean if it's a parent's power to kill in the womb then why not outside ?
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    #384

    Feb 23, 2012, 11:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't understand the relevence of this question .If you have dominion over whether a baby lives or dies in the womb then why not after birth ? Oh I know your President voted in Illinois to snuff out babies who survived botched abortions ... but I mean if it's a parent's power to kill in the womb then why not outside ?
    Again, why is there a baby there in the first place? If it is being aborted, it isn't wanted. Not all unwanted pregnancies are due to rape. Is this elective birth control? Why aren't we teaching our daughters to honor themselves and have the ego strength to say no to your sons who want sex and cooperatively create babies?
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    #385

    Feb 23, 2012, 12:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Again, why is there a baby there in the first place? If it is being aborted, it isn't wanted.
    That's not necessarily true, I want it.

    ... Why aren't we teaching our daughters to honor themselves and have the ego strength to say no to your sons who want sex and cooperatively create babies?
    I don't know about you but a lot of us are, and again you infer that it's men's fault.

    A HUGE part of the problem is the chief protagonist - Planned Parenthood - is actively subverting parents in their efforts to teach their daughters and sons to say no. So you tell me, how are we supposed to raise girls to have the courage to say no when the people that promote abortion are on a campaign encouraging them to say yes?
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    #386

    Feb 23, 2012, 12:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's not necessarily true, I want it.
    No, you don't. You don't have the resources to raise it. It should not have existed in the first place.
    again you infer that it's men's fault.
    I did not. The girl has to be self confident enough to say no. The boy has to swallow his desire and sublimate--and not even ask.

    PP has nothing to do with how we raise our children.
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    #387

    Feb 23, 2012, 02:26 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    No, you don't. You don't have the resources to raise it. It should not have existed in the first place..
    Who are you to tell me I don't want that child? Really? That's a pretty ballsy statement, you know nothing.

    I did not. The girl has to be self confident enough to say no. The boy has to swallow his desire and sublimate--and not even ask.
    You did so, "Why aren't we teaching our daughters to honor themselves and have the ego strength to say no to your sons who want sex." I got news for you, girls want sex, too.

    PP has nothing to do with how we raise our children
    Really? I teach my kids abstinence and then they infiltrate the schools with their message to kids that they SHOULD explore sexuality. They flat out instruct them on the methods from anal to vaginal intercourse and beyond on the internet. They send our kids text messages and then do their damnedest to furnish abortions without parental consent for crying out loud. Don't tell me they have nothing to do with how we raise our kids.

    That's rich, the left whines about soda makers and hamburger joints marketing to children, interfering with the parents' ability to properly raise their kids and all that rot, but when it comes to PP marketing sex they defend them. "Why, PP has nothing to do with how we raise our kids". Hogwash.

    Well let me tell you, I'd rather my daughter have a Happy Meal and a Coke without my knowledge than rimming the boy next door.
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    #388

    Feb 23, 2012, 02:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Who are you to tell me I don't want that child? Really? That's a pretty ballsy statement, you know nothing.
    "It" is generic and represents hundreds, even thousands. Your house and paycheck aren't big enough.
    You did so, "Why aren't we teaching our daughters to honor themselves and have the ego strength to say no to your sons who want sex." I got news for you, girls want sex, too.
    Back when rocks were cooling, we knew how to control ourselves and sublimate. Wanting doesn't mean doing.
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    #389

    Feb 23, 2012, 02:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Really? I teach my kids abstinence and then they infiltrate the schools with their message to kids
    They tromp over school personnel to get in the door? Their voice is louder than yours?
    They send our kids text messages
    The kids initiated texting by asking questions.
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    #390

    Feb 23, 2012, 02:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    They tromp over school personnel to get in the door?

    What forcing, they're welcomed in with open arms by the school systems. They provide the material in MANY school districts.
    Their voice is louder than yours?
    Why do we have so many teen pregnancies? Oh that's right, it's the boys fault.

    The kids initiated texting by asking questions.
    That makes it right how?
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    #391

    Feb 23, 2012, 03:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    What forcing, they're welcomed in with open arms by the school systems. They provide the material in MANY school districts.
    Send your kids elsewhere, like I did.
    Why do we have so many teen pregnancies? Oh that's right, it's the boys fault.
    I said in the beginning to instill self respect in your daughters so that will override male pleadings.
    That makes it right how?
    Why do the kids have cell phones?

    Why are the kids asking in the first place? Insufficient info from parents?
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    #392

    Feb 23, 2012, 03:16 PM
    Hello again,

    So, we're off contraceptives, and we're onto abstinence?

    In addition to not understanding WOMEN, wingers don't understand CHILDREN either.. They think if they just talked LONG enough, or said the right things, kids will stop screwing...

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
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    #393

    Feb 23, 2012, 03:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    So, we're off contraceptives, and we're onto abstinence?

    In addition to not understanding WOMEN, wingers don't understand CHILDREN either.. They think if they just talked LONG enough, or said the right things, kids will stop screwing...

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
    Why do you think I went along on all my sons' dates? :D
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    #394

    Feb 23, 2012, 06:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    So, we're off contraceptives, and we're onto abstinence?

    In addition to not understanding WOMEN, wingers don't understand CHILDREN either.. They think if they just talked LONG enough, or said the right things, kids will stop screwing...

    Bwa, ha ha ha ha.

    excon
    Do you really think Kids are the problem Ex? Like it's kids who perform abortions? No Ex it is adults who perform abortions and for profit. If the kids were taught to do something productive with their time much of this problem would go away
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    #395

    Feb 23, 2012, 06:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    If the kids were taught to do something productive with their time
    If the kids were taught by their parents...
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    #396

    Feb 23, 2012, 08:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    If the kids were taught by their parents....
    Yes that would be a revolution instead of abdicating it to teachers
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    #397

    Feb 23, 2012, 09:11 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Why do we have so many teen pregnancies? Oh that's right, it's the boys fault.
    Girls are mostly looking for love and romance. Sex is not at the top of their list.
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    #398

    Feb 24, 2012, 08:02 AM
    Ok, so girls want love and romance so bad they're too dumb say no. Kind of paints a different picture than that of the "woman power" image we're supposed to have.
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    #399

    Feb 24, 2012, 08:05 AM
    Hello again,

    Just trying to keep up.. We're OFF abstinence and on to the woman's movement? Ok...

    excon
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    #400

    Feb 24, 2012, 08:16 AM
    Sorry, I have to quote Limbaugh. "I love the women's movement, especially from behind".

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