[speechlesstx]

In another Orwellian twist, Obama claims he pushed Obamacare because of Christ.

Obama: I Pushed Dodd-Frank And Health Care Reform Because Of Christ

Apparently Obama thinks Christ was pro-abortion.

[tomder55]

It's a no brainer.. it violates the actual and historical definition of the 'free exercise clause' of the 1st amendment .

[Wondergirl]

Apparently Obama thinks Christ was pro-abortion.

He was pro-choice.

[cdad]

Its my understanding and from what is being reported the churches get a pass on this but the hospitals do not. So those of religious origin will now have to perform abortions and give out contreception as the law reads. They MUST now offer these services that they had not before offered.

[Wondergirl]

Churches cannot/do not accept federal/state funding. Do hospitals associated with religious bodies receive such funding?

[NeedKarma]

In another Orwellian twist, Obama claims he pushed Obamacare because of Christ.

Nope, he, like myself, is a fan of the Golden rule:

"I know the version of that Golden Rule is found in every major religion and every set of beliefs — from Hinduism to Islam to Judaism to the writings of Plato," Obama added.

[cdad]

Churches cannot/do not accept federal/state funding. Do hospitals associated with religious bodies receive such funding?

Im not sure types of funding they get. I am also not sure if that includes or not monies paid for services rendered to the poor or those on Medicaid as being government funding.

Here is an article from 2010. Just to give you an idea of what is going on.

Obama continues his project of dismantling Catholic health care CatholicVoteAction.org

[Wondergirl]

If a hospital or church accepts any government funding, it should pay taxes.

[speechlesstx]

He was pro-choice.

Not in the sense it's used today.

[speechlesstx]

Nope, he, like myself, is a fan of the Golden rule:

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them."

Babies want to be torn apart and ripped from their mother's womb?

[NeedKarma]

If they were babies that'd be bad... but they are not.
Quit interfering in people's lives, let them make their own choices.

[tomder55]

Bet you're glad you weren't snuffed that way .

[Wondergirl]

Babies want to be torn apart and ripped from their mother's womb?

No, of course not. Let's prevent them from coming into existence in the first place (i.e. abstinence). And if they exist, let's make sure they grow up and are fed and clothed and have health care and a comfortable old age.

[excon]

Hello Carol:

WG, you're so - so, uhhh, European...

excon

[speechlesstx]

Carol,

I'm OK with that. But I still will not stop fighting for the unborn child's right to life either.

[speechlesstx]

Mark Steyn had a nice suggestion for the president for something he said during his speech claiming Jesus made him do it.

On Thursday, President Barack Obama delivered remarks to the National Prayer Breakfast at the Washington Hilton and said, “Living by the principle that we are our brother’s keeper, caring for the poor and those in need.”

But according to National Review columnist Mark Steyn, author of “After America: Get Ready for Armageddon,” Obama’s comments leave much to be desired, particularly when it comes to the president’s own brother, George Hussein Onyango Obama who lives on $12 a year in Kenya.

“Oh give me a break,” Steyn said on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show on Thursday night. “For a start, when he says, ‘I am my brother’s keeper,’ his brother is back in Kenya living on $12 a year. That’s what he was living on at the time of the 2008 election. So all the president has to do in terms of shared responsibility is put a $10 bill in an envelope and mail it to Nairobi or Mombasa or wherever and he will double his brother’s salary.”

But of course that's not at all what Obama means by being your brother's keeper, he means the government should be your brother's keeper... on my dime.

At issue is the Obama administration’s effort to require Catholic institutions to provide contraception. Steyn explained this is part of “big government” trying to supplant the church as a source of “moral authority.”

“This version of shared responsibility means the state should be your ‘brother’s keeper,’” he said. “And this is the point for the Catholic Church. Separation of church and state is one thing, but big government means the state as church, the sole legitimate source of moral authority whether it’s on contraception or gay marriage or abortion or any of the rest. And that’s what you see in Europe. Big government drives out other sources of moral authority.”

[NeedKarma]

... for the president for something he said during his speech claiming Jesus made him do it..

He never said that.

but big government means the state as church

A very stupid person wrote that.

[Wondergirl]

I'm ok with that

I thought you are Republican.

[Wondergirl]

I asked my very conservative Republican husband if there should be good union pensions for teachers and government help for families with autistic kids, and he said, "Heck, no!" Then I asked him, if I had continued as a teacher in Chicago, joined the union, and now got a nice pension, and we got government help for our autistic son, would he be okay with that?" and he said, "Heck, yes!"

Guess it depends on whose pocket the money goes into...

[paraclete]

No, of course not. Let's prevent them from coming into existence in the first place (i.e., abstinence). And if they exist, let's make sure they grow up and are fed and clothed and have health care and a comfortable old age.

Well those ideas run contrary to some in this place. You mean you don't want people to be thrown on the scrapheap of capitalism and heddonism, how unamerican