[NeedKarma]

To be fair the tea party protests were 1/1000 of these. Plus there were quite organized.

[tomder55]

Speaking of Obama buddy ,the mad bomber ,Bill Ayers...

He is speaking to the Chi-town Occupiers about non-violent protest (I kid you not)

Controversial Professor Bill Ayers Speaks With Occupy Chicago Protesters | NBC Chicago

Of course ;in a NY Slimes article on 9-11-01 ,he stated he hadn't done enough bombing .

[excon]

No, I just don't get why so many people are defending these thugs.

Hello again, Steve:

I've TRIED to tell you. But, you don't want to listen. I'll try again... 50 years ago, some people gathered together on a campus and protested. They TOO were called thugs and dirtbags by people from YOUR side of the street. And, what was said about them was probably true in the micro sense. But, in the macro sense, it was a POWERFUL movement that changed the world.

So, while I decry dirt, and rape and all the things that happen when people live together in close quarters, I look BEYOND that, and you don't. You don't even think there IS a beyond, and I believe there's a GREAT beyond.

Now, would it have been better if the world changed because we asked it to?? Sure...

excon

[speechlesstx]

Ex, I cannot look past people that have no respect for the law, my rights and my property. If they want to talk, great, but that ain't talkin' - that's just plain thuggish, offensive, illegal, violent behavior.

[smoothy]

Hello again, Steve:

I've TRIED to tell you. But, you don't wanna listen. I'll try again... 50 years ago, some people gathered together on a campus and protested. They TOO were called thugs and dirtbags by people from YOUR side of the street. And, what was said about them was probably true in the micro sense. But, in the macro sense, it was a POWERFUL movement that changed the world.

So, while I decry dirt, and rape and all the things that happen when people live together in close quarters, I look BEYOND that, and you don't. You don't even think there IS a beyond, and I believe there's a GREAT beyond.

Now, would it have been better if the world changed because we asked it to??? Sure......

excon

And today most of them have become "BIG BROTHER" the very thing they hated and feared the most back then... what a change.

[TUT317]

Dude, I've said 7 times previously I'm waiting for their "one demand." Lots of other people have claimed to know their one demand but as far as I can tell the actual occupiers have still not listed their demand. When they tell me what that "one demand" is we can talk about it.

Hi Speech,

Why do THEY have to know? Can't someone else know,' the one demand'. After all, they can use technology to keep in touch with the information society.

Tut

[tomder55]

Unless there is some coherent message behind this street theater then it appears to be the logical conclusion to the 'flash mob fad'.

For those who compare this to the Vietnam ,Civil Rights ,or the end of the Brit empire in the Indian subcontinent ,the comparison begins and ends with the protest. I liken OWS more like wolves howling at the moon or dogs chasing trucks . Why they do it ? They don't know ;and they certainly couldn't tell you what they'd do if they caught the truck. Those speaking for them on this board are projecting their own desires .

So I do the same.. Most of the perceived inequalities are the result of government interference ;and that is where their ire should be directed .

These are not stupid people . Here in NY one of them managed to display a series of sophisticated "bat signal" like projections on the Verizon building .
Occupy Wall Street 99% Spotlight Signal #N17 #OWS #OccupyEverything - YouTube!

My guess is that they will do very well in the real world once they tire of this 'flash in the pan' moment .

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Frankly, there IS a coherent message... You just don't like it.

excon

[tomder55]

I'm starting my own flash movement . I strongly object to my tax dollars being used by the Dem crony socialists to grease the states and municipalites with large slush funds to hire back laid-off public union workers, who then go out and vote Democratic en bloc in the next election, and whose union dues go directly to buy Democratic votes.
Then when the jobs of non-public workers are considered;the President "defers" a decision that delays the hiring of at least 20,000 blue collar workers... because he has this ideological notion that they'd serve the country better constructing solar farms.

In Youngstown Ohio ,all but a ghost town ,there is now a 2nd steel mill factory under construction to build the equipment necessary to perform the fracking of shale to extract natural gas . That's JOBS ,JOBS ,JOBS!! (btw Ohio will likely be the key swing state in 2012 ) .

[TUT317]

So I do the same .. Most of the perceived inequalities are the result of government interference ;and that is where their ire should be directed .

What! You are not suggesting that politicians abandon their real constituency. Are you?

Tut

[excon]

I'm starting my own flash movement .

Hello again, tom:

It's the American way.

But, if somebody JOINS you, I'm probably not going to get a CLEAR CUT MESSAGE about WHY you're protesting.

excon

[cdad]

Hello again, Steve:

I've TRIED to tell you. But, you don't wanna listen. I'll try again... 50 years ago, some people gathered together on a campus and protested. They TOO were called thugs and dirtbags by people from YOUR side of the street. And, what was said about them was probably true in the micro sense. But, in the macro sense, it was a POWERFUL movement that changed the world.

So, while I decry dirt, and rape and all the things that happen when people live together in close quarters, I look BEYOND that, and you don't. You don't even think there IS a beyond, and I believe there's a GREAT beyond.

Now, would it have been better if the world changed because we asked it to??? Sure......

excon

There is no comparison to those that stood up 50 years ago. I find it almost insulting that people keep bringing it up. The ones today are doing what they are doing because they are spoiled. 50 years ago they did it because people were being shipped off to be killed in a war that wasn't a war. They had a united goal. This generation of hippies 2.0 is being spoon fed into a movement. The media has been proven to be part of the storyline. Just to make them out to be something that they are not. It sickens me that there are professional protestors that are in the ranks and in great numbers who's only job is to spew fourtha spoon fed agenda. When you combine that with how they are destroying the very business plans of mom and pops that are struggling just the same its insane. 50 years ago those that wanted the life of a commune could have it. And they worked the land and had their lifestyle. What OWS wants is to be told how superior they are and to be given everything. Just like it had been all their lives growing up.

"Occupy Wall Street Crowd Blind to Benefits of Capitalism"

[excon]

There is no comparison to those that stood up 50 years ago. I find it almost insulting that people keep bringing it up. The ones today are doing what they are doing because they are spoiled.

Hello dad:

Don't be insulted... I think they're the same. It's a popular uprising of the people because they're PISSED OFF. You say they were honorable 50 years ago, but lots of 'em just wanted to get laid.. I say the OWS'rs are honorable even IF lots of 'em are spoiled.

Like ALL of the right wing, you look at the PEOPLE instead of what they're PISSED OFF at... Look.. I was THERE 50 years ago.. NOBODY thought we were honorable then, except us... They called us spoiled and dirty and anarchists... And, BOY did they HATE that we wanted to stop the war.

But, I will delay my ultimate judgment until this works out. I say they'll change the world.. It's only because I HOPE they will. Ain't no media telling me to say that. But, if they fizzle, then they did, and all the garbage was a waste of time...

excon

[cdad]

Hello dad:

Don't be insulted... I think they're the same. It's a popular uprising of the people because they're PISSED OFF. You say they were honorable 50 years ago, but lots of 'em just wanted to get laid.. I say the OWS'rs are honorable even IF lots of 'em are spoiled.

Like ALL of the right wing, you look at the PEOPLE instead of what they're PISSED OFF at... Look.. I was THERE 50 years ago.. NOBODY thought we were honorable then, except us... They called us spoiled and dirty and anarchists... And, BOY did they HATE that we wanted to stop the war.

But, I will delay my ultimate judgment until this works out. I say they'll change the world.. It's only because I HOPE they will. Ain't no media telling me to say that. But, if they fizzle, then they did, and all the garbage was a waste of time...

excon

My take on it is that there was a separation between the protests and the movement. The movement was about free love and peace and being able to commune free from mans (unatural) law. That is a clear separation from the protests that took place on campuses and in the streets where there was a common goal and a focus. Many of that era lived by what they preached. Much of their message was delivered by the music that represented the movement. Maybe Im just being wistful in my thinking but back then the cause had reasons for action where today it is directed by a media based environment and pushed through the very corridores they are protesting against. It doesn't make sense to me.

[excon]

It doesnt make sense to me.

Hello again, dad:

I agree - for the SHORT term..

I don't recall that the antiwar movement was cohesive from the start. In fact, it started as a free speech movement and grew into an antiwar movement.. The songs came AFTER the movement had legs..

All I'm saying, is this is 2 months old. It's BRAND NEW. It's too premature to identify it as a bunch of hooligans, or serious people. I'm willing to give it a chance.

excon

[cdad]

Hello again, dad:

I agree - for the SHORT term..

I don't recall that the antiwar movement was cohesive from the start. In fact, it started as a free speech movement and grew into an antiwar movement.. The songs came AFTER the movement had legs..

All I'm saying, is this is 2 months old. It's BRAND NEW. It's too premature to identify it as a bunch of hooligans, or serious people. I'm willing to give it a chance.

excon

Me too. I have been watching or listening to the occupy live channel for awhile and following it from the inside through that media. That is how I have gained my understanding so far. It's a window into their world.


In case you missed this link I posted before.

http://occupyparty.org/

[excon]

Incase you missed this link I posted before.

The Occupy Party

Hi dad:

No, I haven't seen it.. I've been listening to Steve telling me they had NO message.. They're much further along than I thought.. I didn't find the rapists page, though, or Bill Ayers?

Did you see their projection last night??? It was REALLY COOL!

excon

[cdad]

I just saw it in your link. What still gets to me is that they are still relying on coporate to do things for them (Max Nova and JR Skola from the art production company Dawn of Man. ) not like in the 60's where it was mostly home grown and a boycott was a boycott.

[excon]

What still gets to me is that they are still relying on coporate to do things for them - not like in the 60's where it was mostly home grown and a boycott was a boycott.

Hello again, dad:

That's kind of like blaming Al Gore for flying in his jet. Steve does that regularly. Any movement needs office space, and telephones. They're going to need to pay wages and taxes, and maybe even hire consultants.. In short, they need to LOOK pretty corporate...

But, that doesn't mean they need to suck the public teat like other corporations do..

I don't think flying in his plane or looking corporate detracts from EITHER of the two messages... One can concentrate on the messenger, or the message. I know what I'm doing.

excon

[talaniman]

Hello again, dad:
One can concentrate on the messenger, or the message. I know what I'm doing.

excon

Me too, that's why I am patiently listening. AND WATCHING, I find reactions just as interesting as what they are reacting to.