[paraclete]

We escalated ? It was an invasion of the South . Yeah it would've ended much quicker without interventionit would've been a swift communist victory. Then the whole peninsula could live under the jackboot . Yes you have already demonstrated you are comfortable with such regimes.

Yes escalated Tom Emperor of the East McArthur wasn't content with kicking NK but he had to play my armies better than your army with the Chinese. As I recall he was ultimately replaced or was that fired?

Same with Vietnam ,there were millions slaughtered as a result of the communist victory.

Why were they slaughtered Tom because their friends let them down. But who escalated the conflict?

What amazes me is this reaction that claims the Iranians don't act in such a ham-handed manner when they have a history of such acts that mostly go unpunished .
These are unsophisticated thugs who cannot manage one of the most resource rich nations on the planet.

Finally ,I think their assessment of the Obot's response to this provocation is correct. So far the toughest talk has come from VP Biden"nothing is off the table "... ooooooooooooooooooooh... that's got them shaking in their jackboots!

I think I know who is shaking in their jackboots Tom and it is unlikely to be the Iranians. Tough talk from Joe.

[tomder55]

But who escalated the conflict?

Well the NV for one when they violated the terms of the Paris Treaty with a full scale invasion..

Why were they slaughtered Tom because their friends let them down.

Indeed ;the feckless Dems in Congress defunded our efforts .

yes escalated Tom Emperor of the East McArthur wasn't content with kicking NK but he had to play my armies better than your army with the Chinese. As I recall he was ultimately replaced or was that fired?

Wrong... the Chinese crossed the border and pushed our army almost off the peninsula. So what you had was first a NK invasion of the South and then a Chinese intervention .

Mac was fired for insubordination because he was a bit of an egotistical maniac. I'll grant that .

[magprob]

Why don't you two just call each other?

[paraclete]

Why don't you two just call each other?

I thought that's what I was doing, calling him on his wrong attitudes.

This is a discussion forum, which means issues get discussed... over and over again, ad nausium!

[paraclete]

Wrong ... the Chinese crossed the border and pushed our army almost off the peninsula. So what you had was first a NK invasion of the South and then a Chinese intervention .

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And why do you think the Chinese intervened? It was because McArthur pushed too hard at the border and made them nervious and fearfull of foreign aggression. He should have understood they were paranoid after years of Japanese occupation. That was perhaps the first occasion when the MAD policy, although in its infancy, didn't work. You have to look at what was in between the two events you described. You conveniently forgot that part.

[tomder55]

No I didn't there was no way McArthur was going to cross the border . The Chinese were saving face because they sanctioned the invasion by the NORKS... something even the Soviets wouldn't do.

I don't believe you . You would have all Koreans living under the Kim Gulag.

[paraclete]

No Tom pushing NK back over the 38th Parallel was fine, returning the favour by conquering the country a horse of a different colour and a huge failure in judgement. The NK-SK was an artificial construct just like EG-WG, one we are still living with the legacy of. Back in those days if something was politically too hard, partition it, and in most cases we still have these problem areas and belligerent parties facing each over over partition lines.

What you don't like is that this failure in US foreign policy has been shown for what it was. Something you couldn't bully your way out of.

[tomder55]

I'm for a free and independent Korea . The Kim Regime has kept half the country imprisoned . You know where I stand . I wonder how you think the current division is a good thing . As history has proven ,the NORKS have been a menace to the region ;and are often used as surrogates for Chinese aggression.In retrospect stopping at the 38th parallel would've guaranteed what happened anyway I suppose . But I don't fault Truman for the effort to liberate all of Korea.

You should not concern yourself with this President. His foreign policy is bluster and deploy a token number of troops without so much as a public pronouncement justifying the action like he did today.

[paraclete]

I'm for a free and independent Korea . The Kim Regime has kept half the country imprisoned . You know where I stand . I wonder how you think the current division is a good thing . As history has proven ,the NORKS have been a menace to the region ;and are often used as surrogates for Chinese aggression.In retrospect stopping at the 38th parallel would've guaranteed what happened anyway I suppose . But I don't fault Truman for the effort to liberate all of Korea.

You should not concern yourself with this President. His foreign policy is bluster and deploy a token number of troops without so much as a public pronouncement justifying the action like he did today.

Tom I don't think the current division is a good thing anymore that I think the current division between Israel and the Palastinians a good thing. The reality is that Korea hadn't been a country in its own right for some time before the artificial construct was put in place NK-SK was a war settlement to keep the Russians happy so don't talk to me of selling out the people of North Korea, that was done by the US and the UK, and Trumans effort to liberate NK, if it was Truman's, and not McArthur's was stupid, and ill prepared. Yes, Kim keeps NK imprisioned but the Chinese bare as much responsibility for that as does the US and let's not forget the UN, another toothless paper tiger.

Back to the thread, The US has been looking for an excuse to attack Iran ever since the tiger had his tail yanked by the Iranian theocratic regime. But in this climate we will be subjected to more bull and bluster unless you can find another excuse for a preemptive strike. I expect that excuse will be more "WMD" when you can "prove" Iran has atomic weapons.

Yes, Tom, what is it you are doing in Africa? Some sort of expeditionary force? Special forces deployment, isn't it? Can we expect another black hawk down incident anytime soon? I expect it is a thinly veiled threat to Sudan to leave the fledgling nation alone.

[tomder55]

Yes, Tom, what is it you are doing in Africa?

I have no idea... I'll be reseaching this Lord's Resistance Army in the coming days.But the President's letter to Congress leads me to believe there was no urgency... or not enough to deploy without either an address to the nation or even showing the courtesy of personally informing Congress.

My initial impression is that these are bad dudes that massacre and recruit child soldiers. Despite their name ,there is nothing Christian in their actions. But the regimes we will be supporting are equally bad news .
Word is that the President is reacting to pressure from humanitarian organiizations . I have no problem with humanitarian missions ;but this crosses the line beyond the line he already crossed in Libya.
There is a War Powers Act that defines the proper steps for the
President to follow . He has thumbed his nose at it . I'm not a big fan of the War Powers Act ;but until there is new law that restores to Congress the power to declare war ,that they unconstitutionally voted away ,then that is the law we have.

[paraclete]

There is a War Powers Act that defines the proper steps for the
President to follow . He has thumbed his nose at it . I'm not a big fan of the War Powers Act ;but until there is new law that restores to Congress the power to declare war ,that they unconstitutionally voted away ,then that is the law we have.

He claims he has the authority without waiting for Congress to get out of its own way. His authority is vested in the Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act, The LRA has been a nuiance for a long time, one of those cultist organisations that is right over the top, child soldiers, kidnappings and various atrocities. No respecter of borders apparently but primarily interested in the overthrow of the Uganda government. I thought various African republics had their own armies and some sort of confederation of their own where they give each other assistance. But this is not a war, more like helping out with some policing problems