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speechlesstx · Sep 27, 2011, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

What's wrong with power, and oil, and drug companies actually investing in clean, safe, effective technology? What's wrong with clean, air and water?

You too? Why do you and ex think we don't want clean air and water? That's one of the silliest straw men I've ever seen. Who doesn't want clean air and water?

For the taxes they pay, big business should guarantee safe and efficient medicines, and drugs, and power. Until then I suggest you police them, rather than trust them for doing the right thing.

Why trust the government to look out for my best interests? Why ban something that's been used safely and effectively for asthma sufferers for decades that will likely have zero impact in carbon emissions? It's just plain stupid.

Exxon hasn't cleaned up Alaska yet. Nor BP the Gulf. Until they do, I wouldn't give a rats patoot what they have to spend to protect us from their products. What they spend in lobbyist, and campaign contributions, can be used to pay for as many Environmental police as we need.

How's that for an offset. Sounds fair to me.

Ain't going to happen, you and I will pay for those 230,000 new bureaucrats. And did I mention Obama's own EPA said the rules are "absurd" and “impossible to administer”? Why should ANYONE have to pay for something we already know is "absurd"?

tomder55 · Sep 27, 2011, 11:28 AM

Yeah that half a bil to Solyndra Inc really worked out.

smoothy · Sep 27, 2011, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Why should there be outrage? They make big bucks and are subsidized by government. They make more money than anyone in the freakin' world, and you feel sorry for them??

Pretty obvious science AIN"T your strong suit. Or you have already sucked to many fumes. Come on guy, they spend big bucks investing in politicians and PACS, to get even more money, with no responsibility.

Really... how are they subsidized? The excise tax is what, $0.75 a gallon... profit to the oil companies far less than $0.10 a gallon.. The Government does exactly what for find, produce and sell that oil?. and the oil company is the bad guy? That's like Calling the Mafia a legitimate insurance company.

talaniman · Sep 27, 2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by talaniman
What's wrong with power, and oil, and drug companies actually investing in clean, safe, effective technology? What's wrong with clean, air and water?

You too? Why do you and ex think we don't want clean air and water? That's one of the silliest straw men I've ever seen. Who doesn't want clean air and water?
You ain't gonna get it by wanting it, you better make sure they do it. Learned nothing in Alaska and the Gulf did ya! Ask the gulls that they still are cleaning up. You want clean air and clean water, then DEMAND it, not just talk about it.
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For the taxes they pay, big business should guarantee safe and efficient medicines, and drugs, and power. Until then I suggest you police them, rather than trust them for doing the right thing.

Why trust the government to look out for my best interests? Why ban something that's been used safely and effectively for asthma sufferers for decades that will likely have zero impact in carbon emissions? It's just plain stupid.
They used asbestos, and lead paint, for years too, guess how that worked out. Go with the new stuff. It might not effect the ozone, but could help your lungs. What are you stuck in the last century? You don't have to trust government, but you don't have to trust big pharma either.

Trust but VERIFY!!!!

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Exxon hasn't cleaned up Alaska yet. Nor BP the Gulf. Until they do, I wouldn't give a rats patoot what they have to spend to protect us from their products. What they spend in lobbyist, and campaign contributions, can be used to pay for as many Environmental police as we need.

How's that for an offset. Sounds fair to me.

Ain't going to happen, you and I will pay for those 230,000 new bureaucrats. And did I mention Obama's own EPA said the rules are "absurd" and “impossible to administer”? Why should ANYONE have to pay for something we already know is "absurd"?
Tell congress to make it so. Duh, make 'em pay for clean up, instead of YOU!!! That is your money too, ya know. What you are really saying is that we can't make them pay for their mistakes and its okay if they buy and use the congress you voted for to work for YOU, to work for them. Thats whats absurd!!!!

talaniman · Sep 27, 2011, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

yeah that half a bil to Solyndra Inc really worked out.

One investment out of 144? Bush thought it was a great idea, so did Wall Street.

What The Press Is Getting Wrong About Solyndra | Media Matters for America

Chinese and U.S. Politics and the Solyndra Bankruptcy | Renewable Energy News Article

Five myths about the Solyndra collapse - The Washington Post

http://olddogg.com/politics/3-facts-...out-solyndra-1

talaniman · Sep 27, 2011, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Really....how are they subsidized? The excise tax is what, $0.75 a gallon....profit to the oil companies far less than $0.10 a gallon..The Government does exactly what fo find, produce and sell that oil?..and the oil company is the bad guy? Thats like Calling the Mafia a legitimate insurance company.

Its more like insurance companies are legitimate criminal organizations. Premiums gone up for you lately??

speechlesstx · Sep 27, 2011, 01:12 PM

Tal, I have clean air and water. The question remains, why should ANYONE have to pay for something we already know is "absurd"?

talaniman · Sep 27, 2011, 01:30 PM

You have clean water good for you, and wonder what you tell someone in the gulf who can't fish anymore? You should count yourself lucky and instead of taking someone else word for what is absurd, get the facts, as one person absurdity, may be another's reality.

To not recognize, or acknowledge the needs of another, is what's absurd, don't you think? As I read your link, it was obvious they were pushing for something that was needed, but absurd to think it could happen in the current climate of conflict.

speechlesstx · Sep 27, 2011, 01:30 PM

The president who visited 57 states can't find Colorado on his jobs tour. He sent everyone to Wyoming instead.

I reckon that's what you get out of our liberal education system, people running the country who don't know anything about it.

speechlesstx · Sep 27, 2011, 01:34 PM

Tal, as if I'm opposed to BP cleaning up their mess? No, and I'm only taking the word of the very agency tasked with enforcing those "absurd" and "impossible" rules. What, I shouldn't take trust the government to be right any more? I wish you'd make up your mind today.

talaniman · Sep 27, 2011, 01:49 PM

These new regulatory efforts are not likely to succeed, the EPA admits, but it has decided to move forward regardless. “While EPA acknowledges that come 2016, the administrative burdens may still be so great that compliance … may still be absurd or impossible to administer at that time, that does not mean that the Agency is not moving toward the statutory thresholds,” the EPA wrote in a September 16 court briefing.

Read more: 230,000 Employees | Green House Gas | Clean Air Act | The Daily Caller

It's a big job, and they might not be able to do it all is what I read. Not that the regulations and standards they are pushing for are absurd!!

Just because I had a heart breaking loss to Tom, Sunday, doesn't mean I lost my edge when it comes to comprehension of facts, and logic. But I am grumpy about it. :( :o

speechlesstx · Sep 27, 2011, 02:09 PM

Good thing I'm crushing y'all in baseball because so far this year my football teams generally suck.

talaniman · Sep 27, 2011, 02:30 PM

Teams!! :eek::confused: Only a few days left in Baseball, thank Gosh!! :mad:

speechlesstx · Sep 27, 2011, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Teams!!!!:eek::confused: Only a few days left in Baseball, thank Gosh!!!:mad:

Yes, teams. I don't have the allowable limits though, you can have 10 teams on ESPN alone (I don't). Did you miss where me, tom and Spit have been playing each other for a few years now in another league? I'm 1-0 against tom in that one, 0-2 after that. In fact Spit just crushed me this week... I think he's paying me back for the last couple of years.

talaniman · Sep 27, 2011, 03:17 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!

I can't wait for next spring, man have I been missing some fun.

speechlesstx · Sep 27, 2011, 05:37 PM

And how 'bout them Cowboys? Romo has earned some respect these last two weeks.

paraclete · Sep 27, 2011, 05:41 PM

Tell me does baseball and footbal create jobs because if they do there should be no unemployment by now.

speechlesstx · Sep 28, 2011, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Tell me does baseball and footbal create jobs because if they do there should be no unemployment by now.

Funny you should say that, just yesterday California governor Jerry Brown signed a bill to help get a new NFL stadium built in LA for the team they don't yet have, to "get people working".

tomder55 · Sep 28, 2011, 05:10 AM

Even in my small county there is a professional team in an independent league. There was a bit of a controversy about the public /private funding used to get the ball rolling and I generally agree with the critics as I think team owners should build their own stadiums like the Cowboys did. But I believe overall it will be an economic plus for the town .
Ball players were hired.. They need a place to live so they rent .It provided some jobs for students during the summer ,and provided a place for me and others to part with some entertainment dollars.

tomder55 · Sep 28, 2011, 05:13 AM

Steve ,Romo has always had my respect for toughness ,leadership ,and skill. I have questions about his judgement ,and playing with a punctured lung does not change that opinion... it confirms it.