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speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I would love nothing more than for her to become the Republican nominee to run against Obama.

So you want Obama again?

Wondergirl · Aug 30, 2011, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So you want Obama again?

Yup. I want him to be re-elected like we did Bush -- to clean up his mess.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So you want Obama again?

Hello again, Steve:

He's been a disappointment to me.. I want him to be re-elected solely because of the Supreme Court Justices that'll be appointed in the next term... If, ANY Republican wins, no matter WHO, the gains we made in the 20th Century will be REVERSED in the 21st.

excon

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Yup. I want him to be re-elected like we did Bush -- to clean up his mess.

I thought you were a Republican. I never see any signs of that from you.

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by excon

If, ANY Republican wins, no matter WHO, the gains we made in the 20th Century will be REVERSED in the 21st.

ROFLMAO, you can't be serious.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

ROFLMAO, you can't be serious.

Hello again, Steve:

Why not? Rick Perry asks people if they read his book, because THAT'S what he's going to DO. Do you think he's LYING? I don't. I've seen what the Republican governors did when they had NO opposition. I've seen things happen in this country that I NEVER thought I would. That's NEVER!! Stuff, like Florida governor Rick Scott DRUG TESTING everybody who applies for welfare... He doesn't test RICH people who take state money!

To ME, and obviously not to you, that is such a fundamental VIOLATION of what America USED to be about. That's not going to end with a Republican president, control of the house, and probably the senate. It's going to go on STEROIDS! You talk about losing your culture... Yet, you don't mind destroying MINE...

If Citizens United happened with a DIVIDED court, I have NO DOUBT, that the entire social safety net, and every single civil right that was fought for, and achieved throughout the 20th Century WILL BE REVERSED in the 21st.

What I can't believe, is that YOU don't believe it. It's what YOU support. It's going to be right wing nirvana.

excon

Wondergirl · Aug 30, 2011, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I thought you were a Republican. I never see any signs of that from you.

I'm a registered Republican and vote for whoever looks the most reasonably reasonable.

smoothy · Aug 30, 2011, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I would love nothing more than for her to become the Republican nominee to run against Obama.

If Charles Manson somehow got a pardon tomorrow... he would make a better President than Obama has been.

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

I'm a registered Republican and vote for whoever looks the most reasonably reasonable.

And that would be the most liberal dude we've seen in ages?

tomder55 · Aug 30, 2011, 10:10 AM

Bachmann is not going to win the nomination . It's been a century since a Rep won the Presidency. I don't even know why they attempt to run. . After next week the Republican contest will be a 3 way race... Romney ,Perry ,and Palin. All the others that hang in there are vying for positions in a Republican adm ,or are using the campaign to reenergize their political futures.

Given the way Repubics do things I am putting my early bet on the marshmallow flip flopper...

And you don't think that his religion will become an issue in the general election ? The Obots are ready to attack Mitt Romney’s “weirdness” .In other words... He’s a Mormon!

Obama plan: Destroy Romney - Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

Wondergirl · Aug 30, 2011, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by smoothy

If Charles Manson somehow got a pardon tomorrow....he would make a better President than Obama has been.

At least Biden isn't running the show like Cheney did.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

And you don't think that his religion will become an issue in the general election ? The Obots are ready to attack Mitt Romney’s “weirdness” .In other words... He’s a Mormon!

Hello again, tom:

I sure DO think his religion will become an issue... But, it won't be the Democrats who do it.. It'll be the Tea Party/Christian right who do it, just like they're doing now. They don't think Mormon's ARE Christians. It's that simple.

I think Mitt is weird, because, well, he's WEIRD.. It has nothing to do with his religion. Frankly, if we're going to have a Christian president, I'd RATHER have a Mormon than an evangelical.

excon

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Why not? Rick Perry asks people if they read his book, because THAT'S what he's gonna DO.

Citation please, I want to see which "gains" we made in the 20th century that Perry said he's going to roll back.

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, tom:

I sure DO think his religion will become an issue... But, it won't be the Democrats who do it.. It'll be the Tea Party/Christian right who do it, just like they're doing it now. They don't think Mormon's ARE Christians. It's that simple.

I think Mitt is weird, because, well, he's WEIRD.. It has nothing to do with his religion. Frankly, if we're gonna have a Christian president, I'd RATHER have a Mormon than an evangelical.

Um, tom just linked to the Dems plan to attack him for his weirdness. I also cited a survey that shows anti-Mormonism is highest among Democrats. You're really not having much luck with reality today, exie.

Wondergirl · Aug 30, 2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Um, tom just linked to the Dems plan to attack him for his weirdness.

Mainstream Christians do not believe Mormonism (the LDS church) is Christian. That's the huge hurdle Romney has to jump over.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Citation please, I wanna see which "gains" we made in the 20th century that Perry said he's going to roll back.

Hello again, Steve:

Look. Let's not pretend that we agree on what the "gains" are. We don't. What YOU think they are (if any), and what I think they are, AIN'T the same thing. They ain't close.

So, while I didn't read his book, he himself says in interviews that he believes Social Security and Medicare are not Constitutional.. So, those are on the way out... Certainly, a woman's right to reproductive privacy is out too. I think he wants to eliminate senatorial elections too.

excon

speechlesstx · Aug 30, 2011, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

Look. Let's not pretend that we agree on what the "gains" are. We don't. What YOU think they are (if any), and what I think they are, AIN'T the same thing. They ain't close.

So, while I didn't read his book, he himself says in interviews that he believes Social Security and Medicare are not Constitutional.. So, those are on the way out... Certainly, a woman's right to reproductive privacy is out too. I think he wants to eliminate senatorial elections too.

excon

OK, so let's say I "think" Obama is a radical Muslim or a socialist. Should I reject him without knowing? Should I be spreading fears about this because I "think" he might be one of those things? Just trying to establish the rules of the debate early. So do I stick to the facts, lie my a$$ off or just make crap up?

smoothy · Aug 30, 2011, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

At least Biden isn't running the show like Cheney did.

Cheney was a smart man... but Biden? I wonder who ties his shoes in the morning.

Wondergirl · Aug 30, 2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

Cheney was a smart man...tie shoes

Well, Bush couldn't tie his any time during the day, so he needed an arrogant, controlling figure to tell him what to do.

excon · Aug 30, 2011, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

OK, so let's say I "think" Obama is a radical Muslim or a socialist. Should I reject him without knowing??

Hello again, Steve:

Well, if he said he was IN HIS BOOK, I think you could believe him... Perry said he's a right winger. He said that Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional... I believe him... Why wouldn't I?

If Obama said the same thing, you could believe him too.

excon