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    May 13, 2011, 10:07 AM
    Finally something that makes sense- HR 1196 – The "Loophole Elimination and Verifica
    Finally something that makes sense- HR 1196 – The "Loophole
    Elimination and Verification Enforcement" Act


    Prohibit dealings that assist or encourage an illegal alien to cross the border or remain in the United States.

    Uphold identification security by specifying what forms of identification may be accepted by the federal government or financial institutions. Accepted forms of identification include a Social Security card with a photo ID, a REAL ID Act compliant identification card, a passport, or a USCIS photo identification card.

    Require federal agencies to coordinate with states to develop an electronic birth and death registration system, which would reduce the number of stolen identities and help prevent Social Security fraud.

    Mandate new fines and penalties for passport fraud.

    Make E-Verify (Basic Pilot program) permanent.

    Require all employees to be verified with the E-Verify program after four years of enactment.

    Prevent illegal aliens from working in the U.S. Capitol Complex by prohibiting the House of Representatives and the Senate from awarding contracts to any contractor or subcontractor who does not participate in the E-Verify program.

    Close the self-employed subcontractor loophole by withholding funds to a state or local government that does not require all business license applicants to comply with E-Verify. A company can currently hire a subcontractor to provide goods and services, bypassing the E-Verify process.

    Prohibit states from issuing driver's licenses unless they first verify citizenship or lawful immigration status.

    Require the SSA (Social Security Administration) and IRS (Internal Revenue Service) to share information related to the investigation and enforcement of no-match letters.

    Add 3,000 ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) agents by 2014.

    Affirm the right of state and local authorities to enforce immigration laws in the course of carrying out routine law enforcement activities.

    Require the DHS (Department of Homeland Security) to provide immigration enforcement training for state and local law enforcement officials.

    Reimburse states and localities for costs associated with immigration enforcement by making grants available for equipment, technology, facilities, and other products that directly relate to investigating, apprehending, arresting, detaining, or transporting illegal aliens.

    Make the Institutional Removal Program available to all states, which would expedite the deportation of criminal aliens after incarceration.
    List all immigration violators in the (NCIC) National Crime Information Center Database.

    Expand the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) to include illegal aliens that have been convicted or charged with a crime.

    Prohibit the DHS and DOJ (Department of Justice) from making funds available to cities that provide sanctuary to illegal aliens.
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    May 13, 2011, 01:26 PM

    "Loophole
    Elimination aand Verification Enforcement"

    LEAVE lol

    I've been a long time proponent of e-verification .

    However ;for total reform there has to be a streamlined process for visa approvals ;especially for H1-B applications. We lose too many skilled workers who are often educated in US universities because of the visa process.
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    May 13, 2011, 04:03 PM
    Sounds like you have the beginnings of a police state there and I see that old chessnut local law enforcement enforinging what the immigration cannot do so that makes the police a growth industry. It will do one thing, solve the unemployment problems but you will also need bigger jails or perhaps you can learn from us how to run immigration detention centres, we like to put them in remote hot places. It's a good policy lock the gate and throw away the key
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    May 13, 2011, 04:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    sounds like you have the beginnings of a police state there and I see that old chessnut local law enforcement enforinging what the immigration cannot do so that makes the police a growth industry. It will do one thing, solve the unemployment problems but you will also need bigger jails or perhaps you can learn from us how to run immigration detention centres, we like to put them in remote hot places. It's a good policy lock the gate and throw away the key
    Tell you what... and it will be beneficial to both our countries.

    We set up a camp in the most remote driest part of the outback... a few hundred miles from anything. And put them there. Your country makes some money off some under utilized real estate... Sheriff Joe Arpaio style.. and we get drive off a lot of potential illegals because where they end up would be worse than what they left behind, so they stay home. A worthy use of our tax dollars for a change and a benefit to yours.

    And few escapees would survive the trip on foot.

    Tip the risk / benefit balance dramatically to the risk side... because as it is now... they risk nothing.
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    May 14, 2011, 12:22 AM
    We already have detention centres lying idle in the outback so let's negotiate a lease will ten years initially be enough.

    Tell you what! Our latest idea is a refugee exchange program; if you come illegally you get sent somewhereelse, sort of to the back of the queue, you send us yours who we will house in some inhospitable place and we will send your ours and you can do the same, that should confuse the issue, because we don't speak spanish not even a leetlle bit senyor. If you are not a refugee you get sent home after a year or two of sitting on your backside in our beautiful holiday camp, razor wire (for your protection from the locals free of charge)http://www.smh.com.au/national/labor...514-1en4c.html
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    May 14, 2011, 03:54 AM

    This is being proposed by a Republican. The President will attack this plan for political purposes despite the fact that he has been President for more than half a term ,and has not proposed serious immigration reform legislation . The Dems owned both houses of Congress for 2 of those years and did nothing about immigration reform in their vision of what it would be.

    Yet ,the President went down to El Paso this week and completely demogogued the issue making fantastic claims like... the fence is "basically complete".. when in fact ,less than 40 miles of the proposed “double-fencing” fence has been completed . I guess he considers aged fence posts with some sagging barbed wire constructed by some cattle ranchers as part of the completed fencing.

    He then went on to point a finger at his opponents and made the idiotic claim that his opponents won't be happy until an alligator filled moat was built on the border.
    His political problem is that the Latino community has seen what the Dems have done when they really want to do something like ram Obamacare down our throats. Nothing stops them. So the President's renewed interest in immigration reform can only be seen for what it is ;a transparent appeasing of a constituency he ignored once in office .He now sees them as an important piece of his reelection strategery .So he's throwing them a bone.
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    May 14, 2011, 07:02 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    we already have detention centres lying idle in the outback so let's negotiate a lease will ten years initially be enough.

    tell you what! our latest idea is a refugee exchange program; if you come illegally you get sent somewhereelse, sort of to the back of the queue, you send us yours who we will house in some inhospitable place and we will send your ours and you can do the same, that should confuse the issue, because we don't speak spanish not even a leetlle bit senyor. If you are not a refugee you get sent home after a year or two of sitting on your backside in our beautiful holiday camp, razor wire (for your protection from the locals free of charge)Labor sticking to guns on asylum plan

    We could do that in a remote polar bear or Grizzly bear infested area of Alaska. Beautiful but very unforgiving place to be wandering around in should someone escape.
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    May 14, 2011, 03:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    We could do that in a remote polar bear or Grizzly bear infested area of Alaska. Beautiful but very unforgiving place to be wandering around in should someone escape.
    Yes you should certainly populate Alaska with your illegal immigrants, that's the first innovative idea I have heard on the subject in a long time, don't send them home, send them to Alaska, they will stop coming in no time and you have given me an idea too! We should populate Antarctica with our illegal immigrants, a refugee processing centre off shore on Macquarie Island should solve the problem immediately. I can think of a few Sydney surburbs we could start the population off with. No bears just penguins

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