[NeedKarma]

To ex's point:
Travelling in Europe - Documents you will need

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

I'm gonna try one last time, although I have my doubts whether it will work.

The topic in the article is travel WITHIN the EU. Nobody said that GETTING in to the EU, is the same as travel between the nation states. YOU are the only one arguing about that. I dunno who with.

But, I've spent a page and a half trying to get you back on track INSTEAD of arguing what the POST is about... That gets awfully tiring. I'm outta here.

excon

YOU was arguing getting into the EU... and that you didn't need a passport to get INTO the EU. That's what "at the Frontier" means, that's what at a "point of entry" means, That's what at the "EU border" means... at every one of those points they very much do check everyone's papers.

You was arguing those points DIDN'T check papers. Just say you misread it and admit it. And why MY comparison to the USA was pretty close.

You still get random stops for papers inside the EU... and you better have them on you. They don't NEED a probable cause to stop you just to check your papers.

[smoothy]

To ex's point:
Travelling in Europe - Documents you will need

BUT, Ex was argueing TO Europe. That is not inside Europe. Two totally different things.

And the fact FRANCE was violating that be blocking Tunisians and Libyans at the Border after Italy was forced to take them. When Italy doesn't want them... and can't absorb them

[NeedKarma]

Actually you're right. At post #11 he seems to veer off a bit.

[smoothy]

Actually you're right. At post #11 he seems to veer off a bit.

That's why I said he was misunderstanding something. I know what the point was he was missing... but he was arguing it from the wrong perspective like there was actual open borders... which in reality they don't have. And why its similar to the USA in that aspect. OR Canada. You still don't get there from here without papers, any more than you get into here, or into Canada without them.

With the EU framework it's a lot closer to a Federation or Nation than a group of countries with open borders with each other. The EU does call some shots... they do share a common currency (most of them anyway). They did give up a measure of sovereignty with the EU formation.

[tomder55]

The EU was and is an artificial construct. It worked to a minor degree as a common currency . But what is the basis for a common nation ? Language ? Culture ? Each nation has it's own unique identity and language ;and the people have rejected the ties that bound them ;a shared European heritage ,and religion. They can sing 'Ode to Joy'from Beethoven's 9th until the cows come home and those ancient mistrusts and rivalries will all eventually boil to the surface.