[ITstudent2006]

I talk about robbing banks everyday of my life. I talk about this to my family, friends and co-workers...

Then one day our local bank is robbed...

You're quick to point fingers at me but did I really do it?

I think that is the point BMI is trying to make! Correct me if I am wrong!

[ITstudent2006]

Afghanistan, yes. Iraq, no.

You believe in the WMD?

[Wondergirl]

Again, bragging or reacting to the towers falling is not an admission of guilt concerning the murder of 3,000 people!

"Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11". CBC News. October 29, 2004. Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11 - World - CBC News. Retrieved January 11, 2009. "al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States."

[Wondergirl]

You believe in the WMD?

I have no clue what your question means.

[ITstudent2006]

You said Yes to Afghanistan and No to Iraq. I was just wondering if you believed the invasion of Iraq was indeed for WMD?

[classyT]

This is not a fact.

Ok BMI. Have it your way. Just because he was behind taking down the twin towers and crashing planes on 9/11 doesn't make him a terrorist or our enemy. It was not an act of War on the United States. Osama was just a religious guy expressing his religious views. The USA was out of line to go after him and to kill him. To celebrate it was inappropriate. He was framed. Sorry, my mistake.

:rolleyes:

[Wondergirl]

You said Yes to Afghanistan and No to Iraq. I was just wondering if you believed the invasion of Iraq was indeed for WMD?

Absolutely not!

[ITstudent2006]

Absolutely not!

So the Iraq invasion wasn't for OBL or WMD... can I ask what you believe it was for?

[Wondergirl]

So the Iraq invasion wasn't for OBL or WMD... can I ask what you believe it was for?

Why do I feel like I'm being set up?

What do YOU think it was for?

[ITstudent2006]

I am not setting you up. Simply conversing.

I BELIEVE it was a culmination of the threat posed to the U.S. and its allies by Saddam Hussein's alleged programs of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and the possibility that he would pass along those arms to al Qaeda (OBL) also to avenge his father's failure to achieve a lasting victory over Saddam and more particularly his desire to get back at Saddam for an alleged assassination attempt against former President Bush Sr. in 1993... I also, think as a society we wanted some form of revenge for what happened on 9/11. We didn't want to sit and just take it, so actions were taken to gain some form of justice.

Although the name of this war has changed many times and the motive behind it... I do believe OBL was a target/mission throughout the entirety from the beginning!

[BMI]

I think that is the point BMI is trying to make! Correct me if I am wrong!

For the most part. But IT, don't rob the bank, I beg you:)

[Wondergirl]

I believe the invasion of Iraq was totally uncalled for, that we didn't give the inspectors enough time. I said that to my son and husband when Colin Powell was making his presentations. I still believe diplomatic tactics should have been used. President Bush invaded on the excuse that Saddam had WMD and, later, to bring democracy to the nation. We now know how those "reasons" have worked out.

[tomder55]

alleged programs

lol

A month before the invasion the chief UN inspector reported that despite all the warnings ,resolutions and sanctions there was still no acceptable accounting of Iraqs known WMD program and weapons.

The US was attacked with anthrax shortly after 9-11 . As I stated on another posting... there was a huge gap in what we knew of the enemy who had just killed almost 3000 Americans.

I'll remind you that it was al-Qaeda that decided to make the Iraq battlefield the central front in their war against us. It is them that are responsible for most of the civilian casualties in Iraq as they were the ones that instigated the ethnic civil war in the country. The Iraq war ended as a front against al-Qaeda when the Sunni chiefs realized that Al-Qaeda was brutalizing them as much as the Shia ,and turned on them.

[tomder55]

I believe the invasion of Iraq was totally uncalled for, that we didn't give the inspectors enough time. I said that to my son and husband when Colin Powell was making his presentations. I still believe diplomatic tactics should have been used. President Bush invaded on the excuse that Saddam had WMD and, later, to bring democracy to the nation. We now know how those "reasons" have worked out.

Iraq today is a free independent nation ;has had a number of democratic elections ,and is also free of the jackboot of Saddam's tyranny ,and free of WMD. The lead up to the war lasted over a year ;and the UN pursuit for accountability for Saddam's WMD program was a decade+ . How much time did he need ? Even when Clintoon did a 4 day bombing campaign in 1998 he still wouldn't come clean.

[BMI]

"Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11". CBC News. October 29, 2004. Bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11 - World - CBC News. Retrieved January 11, 2009. "al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden appeared in a new message aired on an Arabic TV station Friday night, for the first time claiming direct responsibility for the 2001 attacks against the United States."

Again, who cares how many headlines you produce! Even if he did claim responsibility! He, as in his 'company' (he being the CEO, lets say) took responsibility. You have to adjudge what the extent of his involvement was.

I'm amazed, there are tons of credible reporters from the East and West breaking down and researching what role OBL actually had within the organization. Some say he was just a figurehead, some an advisor, yet many agree he was not at all the head of any snake. I think many people would like to know that answer, wouldn't you? Instead, all we have is speculation that he was the biggest and baddest threat ever to humankind:rolleyes: Just like Saddam (the world is so much less violent, isn't it?) or his WMD's that, whew, they got to just in time! 'cause for a long time there I was re-evaluating my life's path and all that I could have done better!

[smoothy]

Saddam got taken out because what he did was absolutely no different than a convict out on Parole taunting his Parole officer.

He did beg for a cease fire... and that meant he was on probation... not pardoned.

As far as OBL... I'm IRKED a photo of his dead corpse wasn't released so I could do the second best thing of defecating and urinating on it. First best would have been having a chance to do it to his corpse. But the line of people waiting to do that would have been really, really long.

I feel there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with feeling that way given who he was, and what he has done... and what he was trying to do..

[BMI]

Ok BMI. have it your way. Just because he was behind taking down the twin towers and crashing planes on 9/11 doesn't make him a terrorist or our enemy. It was not an act of War on the United States. Osama was just a religious guy expressing his religious views. The USA was out of line to go after him and to kill him. To celebrate it was inappropriate. He was framed. sorry, my mistake.

:rolleyes:

Ok ClassyT. Just because you believe everything told to you by your very own government which has never falsified any account of any historical event to ever take place on its soil, doesn't make you naïve. The United States is the friendliest nation towards all others and always has been. Bush was just a religious guy expressing his religious views. The USA is NEVER out of line and certainly didn't convince you that the WMD's in Iraq didn't exist, nor did they alter your opinion of their advance when it turned out they did'nt exist... oops (How come I feel like I just told a kid Santa does not exist?) You should most definitely celebrate death, your good enough;)

[Wondergirl]

Again, who cares how many headlines you produce! Even if he did claim responsiblity! He, as in his 'company' (he being the CEO, lets say) took responsibility. You have to adjudge what the extent of his involvement was.

You want him to have been flying one of the planes? Isn't architect good enough?

Who's responsible for the house you live in? The architect? The general contractor? The construction crew? The roofers? The plumbers? The electricians?

Who originally designed it and plotted it out? All of those?

[ITstudent2006]

What are we discussing here? I get so turned around on these things:mad:

[smoothy]

What are we discussing here? I get so turned around on these things:mad:

You know how threads develop a mind of their own and go places we never expect around here.