[J_9]

So, what's going to happen on December 12, 2012 then?

[Fr_Chuck]

Is there money to be made having a Date, I mean what is this religious leaders advantage,

Perhaps excon and I can come up with some date if we can make a few bucks out off it?

[J_9]

Luckily I have a good supply of firearms and ammunition for when the chaos breaks out! :eek:

[cdad]

Luckily I have a good supply of firearms and ammunition for when the chaos breaks out! :eek:

Good, I will be coming to your house then. BYOG (bring your own gun) right ?

[cdad]

Is there money to be made having a Date, I mean what is this religious leaders advantage,

Perhaps excon and I can come up with some date if we can make a few bucks out off it ??

Im sure no one has accepted offers to sign over realestate for the 22nd of that month yet. ;)

[J_9]

Good, I will be coming to your house then. BYOG (bring your own gun) right ?

You can BYOG, or if you don't have one, I share! :D

[cdad]

You can BYOG, or if you don't have one, I share!! :D

I won't say what but Im zombie ready for sure!! :cool:

[J_9]

I believe this carp about as much as I believed Y2K.

[cdad]

I believe this carp about as much as I believed Y2K.

At least with Y2K they had a valid reason. But the implimentation of the fix was unknown going into it. Y2K was real when it was first thought up. But it also was easily corrected.

[HeadStrongBoy]

Synnen: My RELEVANT question is this: Why are SOME parts of the Bible used as ABSOLUTES and other parts IGNORED ENTIRELY? This is relevant because you say that your belief uses the WHOLE Bible. If so, do you follow ALL directives in the Bible, or are you a hypocrite and follow only the parts you believe---which would negate your whole argument about 5/21/11.

Your question is valid. And I'll try to give a satisfactory answer.

Firstly... no part of the Bible may legitimately be ignored. But, besides the obvious structure of two testaments, books, chapters, verses, translations, added words (italicized), and omitted (or changed) words e.g.YHWH, the Bible has additional structure that isn't obvious. And we need to distinguish between the structure that has been imposed by human beings, and the structure that originally came from God. Also we need to understand that some of the man made structures (such as the distinction between the two 'testaments') are actually plain wrong. Once we take those corrections into account, the Bible begins to take on an entirely different character than what we had supposed previously,. in my opinion.

Next, directives. What do you suppose the prime directives for understanding the Bible would be ? One of them is given explicitly in Proverbs 4:7. "Wisdom is the principal thing. Therefore get wisdom. And with all thy getting, get understanding." Also Proverbs 16:16 "How much better is it to get wisdom than gold ! And to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver !" Proverbs 3:19 "YHWH by wisdom hath founded the earth. By understanding hath He established the heavens." Do you suppose that with all that wisdom, He left His holy Bible to hang by a thread and to twist in the wind ? Another very important directive is humility. Explicitly in 1 Peter 5:5. Unless we personally submit to those directives, somehow... by prayer... etc. we will not see the kingdom of God. By a continued study we may find that the word 'grace' in some contexts is actually a synonym for 'salvation' itself. That is no exaggeration. If we do not recognize the Bible as God's word explicitly and humbly try to be as obedient as possible we will not receive the spiritual message it offers.

[J_9]

DMO... two words here... Fear Mongers.

[cdad]

Your question is valid. And I'll try to give a satisfactory answer.

Firstly....no part of the Bible may legitimately be ignored. But, besides the obvious structure of two testaments, books, chapters, verses, translations, added words (italicized), and omitted (or changed) words e.g.YHWH, the Bible has additional structure that isn't obvious. And we need to distinguish between the structure that has been imposed by human beings, and the structure that originally came from God. Also we need to understand that some of the man made structures (such as the distinction between the two 'testaments') are actually plain wrong. Once we take those corrections into account, the Bible begins to take on an entirely different character than what we had supposed previously,....in my opinion.

And were you the one that decided all of this on you own? Or did you learn it from someone else?

[Synnen]

Thanks for your interest. Much as I'm flattered, I'm not about to begin writing my auto-biography here. The important thing is....how does the Bible show that May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment ? And how can I escape God's wrath ?

Actually, I don't give a damn about escaping God's wrath. I believe in a benevolent god.

Here's the question I want answered: What were the signs of EACH seal being broken, as applies SPECIFICALLY to our world? I can look up Revelation 6 as easily as anyone and read the BIBLICAL signs--I want you to tell me why 1988 was the year the 7th seal was broken.

[Synnen]

Here's the other question I have asked that has not been answered:

Which VERSION and TRANSLATION of the Bible are you using? It makes a difference, because the wording is pretty different in different versions and translations.

[450donn]

Has anyone besides HSB searched the internet for this lunatic Harold Camping or any of his teachings? It is pretty interesting how far off one person can get when they think they have the answers and answer to no one in higher authority.

[Synnen]

It is pretty interesting how far off one person can get when they think they have the answers and answer to no one in higher authority.

You mean like Jim Jones was interesting?

[HeadStrongBoy]

HeadStrongBoy: Thanks for your interest. Much as I'm flattered, I'm not about to begin writing my auto-biography here. The important thing is... how does the Bible show that May 21, 2011 will be the Day of Judgment ? And how can I escape God's wrath ?

Quoting Synnen: Actually, I don't give a damn about escaping God's wrath. I believe in a benevolent god.

Here's the question I want answered: What were the signs of EACH seal being broken, as applies SPECIFICALLY to our world? I can look up Revelation 6 as easily as anyone and read the BIBLICAL signs--I want you to tell me why 1988 was the year the 7th seal was broken.

Keep it up, I just love to dance. P.S. This is not about what you want. P.P.S. You're angry when you're beautiful.

P.P.P.S. If your god is totally benevolent, then you need have no worries. Then all of the information that relates to the Day of Judgment is completely irrelevant to you. You'll be safe no matter what. So why bother your head with insignificant facts ? Convince me to take your question seriously. Prove to me that you're not just trolling.

[450donn]

You mean like Jim Jones was interesting?

LOL, I was not going to as far as that, comparing Camping's ramblings to the likes of Jones, or any of the other cult leaders of the recent past for that matter. But it does intrigue me how many people will fall into the false teachings of these charismatic people instead of simply accepting the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Hey, HSB, how much money have you given to this guy? Inquisitive minds want to know.

[HeadStrongBoy]

LOL, I was not going to as far as that, comparing Camping's ramblings to the likes of Jones, or any of the other cult leaders of the recent past for that matter. But it does intrigue me how many people will fall into the false teachings of these charismatic people instead of simply accepting the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Hey, HSB, how much money have you given to this guy? Inquisitive minds want to know.

It is a little amusing :o how you can talk out of one side of your mouth... and say "simply accepting the teachings of Jesus Christ."

And the other side of your mouth says... "Hey this guy's a real fool. Let's see :cool: if he'll tell me about his personal finances."

I'm just saying... :rolleyes:

[ScottGem]

OMG! I've just gone through this thread. I cannot fathom the depths of blind faith that has gone into this. I rarely get involved in these discussions because they are so ridiculous. I've said before, that I believe, as long as one lives their life according to what is known as the Judeo-Christian ethic, then, if there is a day of judgment, I feel I will be judged appropriately. I do NOT believe that living a "good" life requires that I worship any particular deity, subscribe to any particular religion to be judged.

That being said I did feel the need to make some specifics comments:

Fact is that every word in the whole Bible is the words of Jesus.

My motivation is to hammer home the concept that the Old Testament IS EQUALLY VALID today.

You don't see the contradiction there? The Old Testament was written before Jesus was born.

Sorry, I don't accept challenges to argue, or challenges to show who's smarter.

I will let that quote stand on its own.

I guess, if by some remote chance I'm still here on May 22, 2011 and nothing has happened...I'll be eating a lot of crow on this site. But not before then.

I have just marked my calendar I will return to this thread on that date. Where I expect you to post an apology.