[Wondergirl]

ERROR: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Wondergirl again.

We're interested in truth here.

[Wondergirl]

Thanks for that clarification. I already knew that. But I dummed it down in case other readers didn't.

Yes, of course you did.

Dumbed, not dummed

[southamerica]

Thanks for that clarification. I already knew that. But I dummed it down in case other readers didn't.

We really appreciate you dumBing it down for us laymen :)

[Depressed in MO]

That's true, I guess we should make sure the OP is okay with you answering these questions.

Depressed, would you be okay if we asked HSB this question?

:) Sure go for it! I'm still waiting for some answers too.

[southamerica]

:) Sure go for it! I'm still waiting for some answers too.

AWESOME! My sincerest thanks for allowing me to ask this question!

HeadStrongBoy:

You say that the whole bible is to be taken seriously. And you say that the verses Synnen references are merely her interpretation.

I have heard of the verses to which Synnen refers, and I have only ever heard them brushed off as "old testament". SO, you are a believer of the whole bible, and Synnen has brought forth statements to the bible, and you have said they are misinterpreted and the bible tells us how to interpret them.

I would like to know, then, how the bible tells us to interpret them, and how they are to be interpreted. I eagerly await your response.

[HeadStrongBoy]

Quoting southamerica:
That's true, I guess we should make sure the OP is okay with you answering these questions.
Depressed, would you be okay if we asked HSB this question? Sure go for it! I'm still waiting for some answers too

I don't really need the asker's permission. I've read the Posting Rules. And I believe it's in my own best interests to stick to the original subject within very narrow limits, based on my own discretion. And I repeat that I have no intention of discussing any aspect of sexuality on this particular thread.

Obviously you're expecting some kind of an answer. But you'll have to make it a question that's relevant to the subject of May 21, 2011.

[Synnen]

I merely used his comment as a seg-way to show that the Bible gives us specific rules that should be used to interpret all parts of the Bible. The process is quite involved and it's not easy at all. It requires much time and prayer to get the truth.

So... you're telling me that MY time and MY prayers and MY reading of the Bible are incorrect in interpreting all parts of the Bible?

Why?

Did God come down and talk to you from a burning bush and tell YOU exactly how to do this interpreting of the Bible that is the only truth? If it wasn't GOD, in words that are not open to interpretation---how do you KNOW that your version of interpretation isn't just another interpretation of how to interpret the Bible?

And frankly, if it's a guide that is supposed to tell EVERYONE how to live, then why does it take that much work to interpret to begin with? I mean, God gives people a book that they can use to know how to love him and worship him--but it's open to INTERPRETATION? That doesn't sound very god-like to me. If God truly loved mankind and wanted them all saved, he'd give them a book that helped them live the way he wanted them to and wouldn't wrap it up in dilemmas and mysteries.

[southamerica]

Okay okay okay. May 21st, 2011, it is.

About previous predictions of the end of the world, you made a comment as to the Satanic installation in churches. The following questions were asked:

And when were those seals broken? What are your SPECIFIC signs that you're using here? I don't remember the sun becoming as sackcloth and the moon as blood, and there have been any NUMBER of great earthquakes---which one are you counting?

Can't wait to hear your answers.

[Synnen]

I don't really need the asker's permission. I've read the Posting Rules. And I believe it's in my own best interests to stick to the original subject within very narrow limits, based on my own discretion. And I repeat that I have no intention of discussing any aspect of sexuality on this particular thread.

Obviously you're expecting some kind of an answer. But you'll have to make it a question that's relevant to the subject of May 21, 2011.

Fine. My points weren't about human sexuality, anyway. They were about the fact that those are DIRECTIVES from the Old Testament that are only followed by very few religious sects--and those sects are generally condemned by others for being "savage".

My RELEVANT question is this: Why are SOME parts of the Bible used as ABSOLUTES and other parts IGNORED ENTIRELY? This is relevant because you say that your belief uses the WHOLE Bible. If so, do you follow ALL directives in the Bible, or are you a hypocrite and follow only the parts you believe---which would negate your whole argument about 5/21/11.

[southamerica]

HeadStrongBoy:

So when did you become a believer in all of this? HOW did you become a believer in all of this? Did God speak to you? Again, whoever claimed this date to be the end, is he considered to be a prophet of God? Do you consider yourself to be a prophet of God, or a follower of a prophet to God?

[Depressed in MO]

HeadStrongBoy:

So when did you become a believer in all of this? HOW did you become a believer in all of this? Did God speak to you? Again, whoever claimed this date to be the end, is he considered to be a prophet of God? Do you consider yourself to be a prophet of God, or a follower of a prophet to God?

ERROR: You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to southamerica again.

Thank you;)

[HeadStrongBoy]

Quoting HeadStrongBoy:
I merely used his comment as a seg-way to show that the Bible gives us specific rules that should be used to interpret all parts of the Bible. The process is quite involved and it's not easy at all. It requires much time and prayer to get the truth. So... you're telling me that MY time and MY prayers and MY reading of the Bible are incorrect in interpreting all parts of the Bible?
Why?
Did God come down and talk to you from a burning bush and tell YOU exactly how to do this interpreting of the Bible that is the only truth? If it wasn't GOD, in words that are not open to interpretation---how do you KNOW that your version of interpretation isn't just another interpretation of how to interpret the Bible?
And frankly, if it's a guide that is supposed to tell EVERYONE how to live, then why does it take that much work to interpret to begin with? I mean, God gives people a book that they can use to know how to love him and worship him--but it's open to INTERPRETATION? That doesn't sound very god-like to me. If God truly loved mankind and wanted them all saved, he'd give them a book that helped them live the way he wanted them to and wouldn't wrap it up in dilemmas and mysteries.

In my opinion the laws of moral living that the Bible gives for all of humanity (saved and un-saved)... for the purposes of this discussion... should be considered a separate issue. I say that because the Bible is crystal clear that our efforts to obey those commandments have no effect on our salvation.

The subject of this thread is the beginning of Judgment Day, May 21, 2011. Judgment Day is an integral part of God's greater plan of salvation. Being saved, or rather becoming saved is NOT a function of how moral we live, or of how moral we are. Salvation and judgment are entirely in the hands of God. And no human individual has any choice in the matter. All of us begin as sinners. Only God's grace grants any saved person a new soul (heart, or spirit).

[Wondergirl]

FYI -- from one of HSB's early posts;: "I am a 60 year male from America. Born in Germany. Never married."

[Wondergirl]

the Bible is crystal clear that our efforts to obey those commandments have no effect on our salvation.

Being saved, or rather becoming saved is NOT a function of how moral we live, or of how moral we are. Salvation and judgment are entirely in the hands of God. All of us begin as sinners. Only God's grace grants any saved person a new soul (heart, or spirit).

I'm with you so far (with the above snippets).

[HeadStrongBoy]

What's that got to do with anything ? Can't stop the message ? Try to expose the messenger's personal weaknessess ?

[HeadStrongBoy]

P.S. That's 62 years.

[Depressed in MO]

In my opinion the laws of moral living that the Bible gives for all of humanity (saved and un-saved).....for the purposes of this discussion....should be considered a separate issue. I say that because the Bible is crystal clear that our efforts to obey those commandments have no effect on our salvation.

The subject of this thread is the beginning of Judgment Day, May 21, 2011. Judgment Day is an integral part of God's greater plan of salvation. Being saved, or rather becoming saved is NOT a function of how moral we live, or of how moral we are. Salvation and judgment are entirely in the hands of God. And no human individual has any choice in the matter. All of us begin as sinners. Only God's grace grants any saved person a new soul (heart, or spirit).

Ok... then how did the end date in October come about? Can you elaborate more on that? That's when all the "unwanted" people get sucked into the ground? I'm not trying to be funny either, I just want to get educated on the facts behind the dates between May 21 and Oct (I forget the exact day in Oct).

[Wondergirl]

What's that got to do with anything ? Can't stop the message ? Try to expose the messenger's personal weaknessess ?

What weaknesses? We here know each other; it's valid to know who you are. If you are a teenager (HSBOY), the import of your posts would be entirely different than that of a person who is 62. As a older adult with a great deal of life experience, you have apparently given great thought to your beliefs.

[Depressed in MO]

HSB Please:

I'm not trying to change the subject, I believe this is all tied in with May 21, 2011.
Can you help me understand?

From earlier:Ok... then how did the end date in October come about? Can you elaborate more on that? That's when all the "unwanted" people get sucked into the ground? I'm not trying to be funny either, I just want to get educated on the facts behind the dates between May 21 and Oct (I forget the exact day in Oct).

[Wondergirl]

From earlier:Ok...then how did the end date in October come about? Can you elaborate more on that? That's when all the "unwanted" people get sucked into the ground? I'm not trying to be funny either, I just want to get educated on the facts behind the dates between May 21 and Oct (I forget the exact day in Oct).

HSB has left the building.

If I remember correctly, the May date is the Rapture when all true Christians will be gathered in the air and taken to heaven. The Oct. date is the beginning of the Final Judgment.

From Wikipedia (Harold Camping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) --

[Harold] Camping teaches that a Biblical calendar has been hidden according to Daniel 12:9, Revelation 22:10 detailing the imminent end of the world (with alleged Biblical evidence pointing to the date for the Rapture as May 21, 2011); of the "end of the church age" (which asserts that churches are no longer the vehicle used by God for salvation, 1 Peter 4:17); and of predestination (Ephesians 1:4-5), according to which God determined before the beginning of the world which individuals are to be saved.

Camping's Biblical study regarding time and Christ's second coming is based on the cycles of:

* Jewish feast days in the Hebrew calendar, as described in the Old Testament,
* the lunar month calendar (1 month = 29.53059 days), and
* the Gregorian calendar (1 year = 365.2425 days).

He projects these into modern times and combines the results with other information in the Bible.