[tomder55]

The devil we know blew up US soldiers in Germany ;blew up a US commercial airliner , was the nuclear laboratory for Saddam until we attacked Iraq... then he temporarily became compliant because we had a President who's words meant something .

I don't care about their oil. Let Italy have all of it.

The devil we know will align himself with jihadistan . That's what we do know of him.

[excon]

Why not do a Panama like action ? ...decapitate the snake and move on

Hello again, tom:

Like Iraq was supposed to be a quick in and out?? Dude. Wars don't happen that way. Who is the opposition leader we support? Do we KNOW any of 'em? What if we pick a guy like Ben Laden or Karzai?

In fact, we DID pick Ben Laden, didn't we, and we armed him well? How did that work out for us?

excon

[smoothy]

The devil we know blew up US soldiers in Germany ;blew up a US commercial airliner , was the nuclear laboratory for Saddam until we attacked Iraq....then he temporarily became compliant because we had a President who's words meant something .

I don't care about their oil. Let Italy have all of it.

The devil we know will align himself with jihadistan . That's what we do know of him.

Sure he might... but what about who would likely take over? For them it would almost be a sure thing. A buttcrack of a country... poverty, low education levels AND Muslim lunatics thinking they have a right to everything... Not a recipe for Democracy there.

IRAN stands a fairly good chance of a real democracy if the Religious nut leaders and their terrorist president got knocked off next week. I don't see much hope for that in these other places however.


That's why I used the devil you know vs the devil you don't. Don't see a positive outcome either way. You could end up with a repeat of the Taliban in Afghanisan.

[tomder55]

Bigger question . Show me the example where an unconstrained dictator fell to popular uprising without external help ?

It doesn't happen. So either we put up or shut up. Our actions this year have been pusillanimous .It is worse than GHW Bush betrayal of the Shia in Iraq 1990 .

I stand by this statement . Q~Daffy has just set the template for all the dictators and autocrats in the ummah . They know the free world will not stand up to them.

[tomder55]

Like Iraq was supposed to be a quick in and out?? Dude. Wars don't happen that way. Who is the opposition leader we support?

Did we care who ran Panama after we grabbed Noriega ? Of course in the bad ole days when our CIA did their job right we would've had the next Colonel waiting in the wings.

When NATO decided Slobodan Milosevic had to go did they care who replaced him ?

[excon]

Did we care who ran Panama after we grabbed Noriega ?

Hello again, tom:

So, go in, grab him, and that'll be that? If I remember correctly, and I do, we DID fire on the Panamanian Army, and they folded like a cheap suit... Somehow, I don't think the Libyans are going to do that.

excon

[tomder55]

This is what I know . The US is abdicating it's role as leader of the free world. I don't care if you want to go through the charade of getting NATO or UN blessings.. the US has to lead . Which nation is that alternative ? In this case France has tried . Even the Aussies are making firmer statements .
Libya: Towards Sudan's Darfur type conflict? - Afrik-news.com : Africa news, Maghreb news - The african daily newspaper
I tell you ,it's embarrassing that K.Rudd and Sarkozy are showing more spine than the US President.

But that is the new world order. Who will fill the super power vacume ? It won't be a free nation that's for sure .
If you think the world will be a better place or that the US can retreat to fortress America and be safe you are in for a rude awakening .

[NeedKarma]

This is what I know . The US is abdicating it's role as leader of the free world.

Pssst... you're not and no one wants you to be. You're living in the past.

[tomder55]

Go back to turning sand into oil .At least that's constructive.

[NeedKarma]

go back to turning sand into oil .At least that's constructive.

And we sell it to you. LOL!

[tomder55]

Ironically ,if we are consigned to be dependent on foreign sources ,I'd rather it be Canada.

Breaking... the feckless UN just approved all necessary force. Too little too late.

[smoothy]

ironically ,if we are consigned to be dependent on foreign sources ,I'd rather it be Canada.

Breaking .... the feckless UN just approved all necessary force. Too little too late.

I want to see the UN forces get their butts kicked. They are about as fearsome as the French Army.


I can hear it now... "Stop that or we will be forced to sponsor a resolution condeming you.!"

[paraclete]

go back to turning sand into oil .At least that's constructive.

I expect that's preferrable to turning sea water and arctic tundra into oil.

It would seem that daffy duck is about to push a few rag tag rebels into the sea. This has been likened to Ruwanda but there are no millions being jeopardised here. No atrocities on a genocidal scale, in fact the body count has been surprisingly moderate. What we have is a few hundred ill equipped rebels hoping that the US will come on side and pour millions in arms and aid into their cause as they did in Afghanistan. The US doesn't love freedom enough to liberate the oppressed masses of the Earth. The UN isn't interested in doing anything more that staging a side show, there has been no suggestion of peace keepers landing because the rebels have told the world to stay out of it, but they expect to be protected. There is no constitutional protection in Libya, no bill of rights, such as the right to take over with arms, the right of protest with guns in your hands. What we have here is what in other places would be called treason

This isn't about oil, certainly not US oil supplies, but about opportunism

[Curlyben]

Breaking... the feckless UN just approved all necessary force.

You missed and important part here at the end.

the UN backed "all necessary measures", short of an invasion, to protect civilians.

The UN resolution rules out a foreign occupation force in any part of Libya.

BBC News - Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote

So anyway the UK and France with the assistance of some loacl rag heads are getting prepared for this.
Should interesting as our LAST capable aircraft carrier has been decommissioned along with it's harriers.

I guess they are going to fly out of Cyprus then..
That's one hell of a commute to work ;)

[tomder55]

The US will provide logistics and targeting from our carrier task force. We will probably fly AWAC and assume central command .We may even pock mark their runways with cruise missiles.

In other words we will provide most of the muscle but the 'international community ' will get credit.

Notable to me is the nations that abstained ,rather than vetoed.

Again this is too little too late. I agree with Sec Def Gates that the battlefield has to be prepared before a no fly zone begins. This should've begun when Q~Daffy was shooting protesters from the sky,not at the tail end of his successful counter-revolution.

[tomder55]

Pssst...you're not and no one wants you to be. You're living in the past.

I see Canada is going to contribute some planes to the effort . What do they have crop dusters ?

[NeedKarma]

I see Canada is going to contribute some planes to the effort . What do they have crop dusters ?

If that makes you feel better about yourself then yea, we have crop dusters.

[tomder55]

Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa says Libya is declaring an immediate cease-fire and stopping all military operations.

Libya declares cease-fire and says it will stop military operations as the West mobilizes - The Washington Post

[Curlyben]

See told you the Canadian crop dusters would be useful, daffy is clearly scared by them ;)

[excon]

Hello again,

Obama is soooo strong, all he has to do is play golf, and Q~Daffy quits...

excon