[speechlesstx]

Is it better to wait to replace it, or is it better to BEGIN the process NOW??

Now? Now?? Did you just miss that after 50 years of developing solar technology I still can't afford it? The first patent for wind turbines was issued in 1891. What's this begin the process now stuff?

PS> Did you notice that I didn't say anything about throwing your trash into the air??

Thank you.

[excon]

Now? Now??? Did you just miss that after 50 years of developing solar technology I still can't afford it?

Hello again, Steve:

Hold on, podner... If your only complaint is that it's taking too long, I agree.

If what's lacking in that race, is investment, we should DO that. If what's lacking is technology, we should invest in that too. If it's because we're lacking in education, we should invest there also.

Or, is it your view, that we should do NOTHING to help these industries and let them limp along on their own, and MAYBE in another 50 years, they'll have something?? I think it is.

Contrarily, I believe transferring BILLIONS of our dollars into the HANDS of our enemy, every single day, is reason enough for government to tackle the problem. Frankly, I think it's a national emergency. You?? Not so much.

As I said before, the government can only do a few things, like give subsidy's, or tax breaks. They're giving HUGE subsidy's to the oil industry, who don't really need them... We should take them from the oil company's and give them to green industry. That wouldn't add any tax burden.

Now, of course, the oil companies will complain, and you'll listen... I won't... They DO make BILLIONS. Did I say, they make BILLIONS of $$$$'s. Why are we subsidizing them?

It also occurs to me that you believe investment into these technologies WON'T accomplish anything. It'll be like pushing string - a total waste of money. TIME is the only answer, if there's any answer at all... Dude!

Is that what you believe?? That we should just stand on the sidelines and accept our fate?? Really? Are you sure you're a capitalist? Do you NOT believe that investment produces results??

excon

[speechlesstx]

By all means invest, but don't tie our hands in the mean time which is what the left has done. I can't power my '86 4Runner with a wind turbine and I'm not keen on paying $7-8 a gallon for gas which is what Obama WANTS.

In other words, I'm all for alternative energy. I'm against punishing the people in the process.

[paraclete]

Hello again, Steve:

Even IF we have enough to satisfy our immediate needs, we ARE running out. Or, do you, like clete, think we have a never ending supply??

Is it better to wait to replace it, or is it better to BEGIN the process NOW??? Me? I'd say NOW. You? Nahhh...

excon

PS> Did you notice that I didn't say anything about throwing your trash into the air???

Here we go again misrepresenting the position. I have not suggested we shouldn't be conserving oil and developing alternative energy but I am against having to pay for it. It is a business risk that needs to be taken by business. Nor do I agree with disrupting and destroying economies in order to force change

Ex fails to realise this is a political game being played between nations. It is not about the environment either present or future. My economy runs on coal generation which is cost effective and makes us competitive. Why should we destroy our economy because of carping by people like ex who couldn't care less about our survival. I've said it before ex, CO2 emissions are a northern hemisphere problem.

Wind energy has proven to be successful where there is constant strong winds. Solar energy is successful where there is frequent sunshine. Neither respond very well to the prevaling conditions in a north american winter, but they do work very well where I live and have been adopted. I have investment is alternative energy, so ex put your money where your mouth is. What the alternative energy geeks dismiss is that no matter what solution they come up with it is only part of the picture because the population is so dependent upon energy that it needs a constant flow provided by base load generation

[excon]

Why should we destroy our economy because of carping by people like ex who couldn't care less about our survival. I've said it before ex, CO2 emissions are a northern hemisphere problem.

Hello again, clete:

I've been convinced for a long time that the only reason you deny global warming is because you think the remedy for it will "destroy" your/my economy... That's right wing gibberish...

Nothing I've suggested will destroy ANYTHING... In fact, it'll be the engine that will renew our economy... Besides, I haven't said anything about STOPPING stuff. I'm talking about STARTING stuff, making a lot of money, creating a lot of jobs, and reclaiming our lead in the world.

excon

[paraclete]

Hello again, clete:

I've been convinced for a long time that the only reason you deny global warming is because you think the remedy for it will "destroy" your/my economy... That's right wing gibberish...

Nothing I've suggested will destroy ANYTHING... In fact, it'll be the engine that will renew our economy.... Besides, I haven't said anything about STOPPING stuff. I'm talking about STARTING stuff, making a lot of money, creating a lot of jobs, and reclaiming our lead in the world.

excon

EX, I don't deny that CO2, etc might have an effect on warming the climate, what I am skeptical about is that it is the main reason why the climate change we are observing is happening. Look around you, the snow, etc might be because of volcanic activity, it certainly isn't because the planet is a little hotter although you have to work hard to find out where. Some of us have lived long enough to know that the conditions we live with aren't the worst, just more of the same.

Ex, I don't know why you follow the socialistic dream of renewal through new technology, every new technology we employ reduces the opportunities for employment, yet we have a growing population. Within your dream is the old capitalist dream of making lots of money which is contrary of your socialist dream. You make money by exploiting mature industries. Very few make money by developing new technologies. Reclaiming your lead in the world is another dream, history is against you, the more innovative places in the world are not in the US now, the twentieth century was your century, your greed overtook you and the twenty-first century belongs to someoneelse. You are like the eight cylinder engine, a dinosaur of the twentieth century