[excon]

Hello again,

Cool. Now you can love your country AND the guy in your foxhole.

excon

[tomder55]

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UJMJ) - ART. 125. SODOMY

[NeedKarma]

Uniform Code of Military Justice (UJMJ) - ART. 125. SODOMY

That could be you and your wife!

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Me and couple buddies wanted to spend the weekend in Jacksonvile, Florida, so we drove down from Charleston, S.C. where our ship was stationed at the time. On the way, we stopped for lunch. My BLACK shipmate had to wait in the car, though.

The restaurant that did that, had a law on the books that allowed them to do it - just like the sodomy law you cite. When congress signed the Civil Rights Act, those laws changed - just like the sodomy law you cited will surly change.

excon

[tomder55]

I guess there is no more justification for the law ;no legitimate state interest to make moral judgement... or is there a line in the sand even libertarians will not cross ?

How about the case of Columbia Professor David Epstein who is accused of incest with his adult daughter ? Does the state have a compelling interest there ? They are 2 consenting adults .

Epstein faces up to four years behind bars if convicted.

Columbia professor is charged with incest, accused of bedding young relative for 3 years

If they were permitted to marry then they would at least solve the estate tax issue.

[NeedKarma]

What does incest have to do with same-sex marriage or gays serving in the military?

[tomder55]

It has everything to do with it. The justification for the 'right' is that the 'state' has no business legislating morality .

I just wonder what line in the sand there is if any .

[excon]

The justification for the 'right' is that the 'state' has no business legislating morality

Hello again, tom:

Nahhh, tom... It's just that what you consider immoral, the nation doesn't any more. I think it's immoral to waterboard somebody... You think it's just hunky dory.

excon

[tomder55]

So there are lines in the sand... it's just a matter then of shifting standards... I'll say it again;when given a vote ,the people of the country have consistently voted against things like gay marriage. But it has been evident since the Texas case that the Courts will ignore the will of the people and impose their own version of morality on the nation. Evidently lame duck Senators are willing to do the same .

I find it very interesting that the Democrats waited for a lame duck session ;after the elections ,to do this legislation. I find it also very interesting that Joe Manchin of West Va. who faces another election campaign in 2 years opted to go shopping rather than to vote on this issue.

You should also be pleased however that social issues are not a defining issue with tea party Senators. 2 Senators supported by the tea party voted for the repeal . (Kirk and Brown)

[excon]

So there are lines in the sand ....it's just a matter then of shifting standards..... I'll say it again;when given a vote ,the people of the country have consistently voted against things like gay marriage.

Hello tom:

Shifting standards?? Nahhh... We're still the good people we've always been. What changes is our ASSESSMENT of how we stack up against those standards... This vote says we were on the wrong side of 'em. You believe it's immoral for gay people to participate in the public process.. The PUBLIC now realizes that it's immoral to deny their participation...

In terms of shifting standards, though... We ALWAYS knew that waterboarding was torture, and it ALWAYS will be. It's YOUR side that made a humongous shift on that... Personally, it's easier to live a life if these standards DON'T change..

excon

[twinkiedooter]

Since it's now okay to be an open "gay" in the military be prepared to read lots of friendly fire accidental killings in the papers and on the net where no one was indicted for accidentally killing a gay. If the gays were smart they'd only do desk duty jobs and stay out of the fighting arenas where they are bound to "catch" a few stray bullets. Real men serving in the military don't like gay folks regardless if there is a law against it. You can't force anyone to go against their moral principals regardless if it's against the law. You'll see.

[NeedKarma]

Since it's now okay to be an open "gay" in the military be prepared to read lots of friendly fire accidental killings in the papers and on the net where no one was indicted for accidently killing a gay. ...You'll see.

See: Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[twinkiedooter]

see: Psychological projection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What has that got to do with what I said? The men or women in the military who are straight really don't like gay folks. Who is to say that the gay folks won't conveniently become "friendly fire fodder"?

[Wondergirl]

The men or women in the military who are straight really don't like gay folks.

Do you have stats to back that up?

Gay people live and work among us civilians too. Should we just do away with all of them, military and civilian?

[NeedKarma]

WG,
Sometimes people troll forums to get others riled up with their comments.

[Wondergirl]

WG,
Sometimes people troll forums to get others riled up with their comments.

I've read many of Twink's posts and know how she thinks. (Hmmm, Twink's thinks... )

[tomder55]

WG,
Sometimes people troll forums to get others riled up with their comments.

Lol

[speechlesstx]

lol

So far today according to NK, I'm a hater and Twinkie is projecting and trolling. Ironic isn't it?

[excon]

Since it's now okay to be an open "gay" in the military be prepared to read lots of friendly fire accidental killings.... You'll see.

Hello again,

My friend twink speaks the truth. The hate DOES run that deep. However, in spite of their virulent disagreement with the new rules, I hope our men in uniform aren't murderers. We'll see.

Nonetheless, as a nation, we're to be commended for FINALLY recognizing a civil right, instead of succumbing to homophobia. Is there any doubt, gay marriage is next?

excon

[speechlesstx]

Sigh...

The rhetoric has gotten way out of hand... on everything. All year it was "Tea Party racism." Now it's the hatred of gays runs that deep? Bullsh*t, Americans are by and large past racism and we don't hate gays. Stop fueling these unnecessary fires.

Our military will deal with this the way they deal with anything else, with honor.