[smoothy]

Actually Drugs isn't a nanny state issue... just because a State may say its legal doesn't make it so... Federal Law outlaws it and trumps any State law. So California can't technically make it legal in any way shape or form when it's a violation of federal law.

Why don't you just say, you like to get stoned... want to get stoned, and like to drive stoned...

And not argue its like drinking Gatorade.

Now... read what you just said...

Because you just did EXACTLY what you are accusing me of. Only I have better reasons for it.

[excon]

Drugs isn't a nanny state issue.... Only I have better reasons for it.

Hello again, smoothy:

Your spin on it, doesn't make it so. The fact is, you're FINE with the state banning stuff, YOU think SHOULD be banned, but they're WRONG to ban stuff you DON'T think should be banned... And that should be so, because ----- you have good reasons.

Dude!

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

Your spin on it, doesn't make it so. The fact is, you're FINE with the state banning stuff, YOU think SHOULD be banned, but they're WRONG to ban stuff you DON'T think should be banned... And that should be so, because ----- you have good reasons.

Dude!

excon

Its NOT a spin... its a fact. NO state in the United states can legalize anything that is already Illegal under federal Law...

They CAN enhance that, making more things illegal but they can't make them legal when a higher authority dictates otherwise. Dry towns are examples. Or a Dry State. Don't see the ACLU harping about that do you?

And listen to Mr. Hypocrite... yapping about how HIS views should be law... when they aren't trying to tell others that their perspective when it IS the same as current law has no merit. Because you have your reasons...


Sorry, but as mnuch as you may want it... Comminsts don't run this country... and thus... ONE allowed viewpoint doesn't exist. And you can't toss the opposition in a Gulag as much as the Dems have wet dreams about doing so.

Yeah you have the right to HOPE otherwise... but the fact remains that the law says Illegal drug use is... well Illegal.

And its been that way since way before either of us were born. For Damn good reason.

You notice the thought police aren't knocking on your door right now... Think about it a bit.

[excon]

Its NOT a spin...its a fact. NO state in the United states can legalize anything that is alreadty Illegal under federal Law....

Hello again, smoothy:

Here we go, off the rails once again... Please pay attention... We're talking about the IDEA of the nanny state banning stuff - not drug laws or states rights issues, or the Constitution, or federal law... We're talking about an IDEA - at least we were.

The OP was dissing the "nanny state". I simply mentioned that you guys LIKE the nanny state when it suits your purposes, even though you SAY you don't. It's like our discussion the other day about "big" government... You LIKE "big" government when it suits your purposes, even though you SAY you don't.

It's no more difficult than that.

excon

[tomder55]

:(

Thanks to a bipartisan anti-smoking statute, the nanny state's FDA has come up with some nice images to take up half the space of a pack of cigarettes, corpses, rotten lungs and teeth, etc.

Next up if they haven't banned Happy Meals, burgers and fries altogether - images of bypass surgery on your fries and 900 lb people on your hamburger wrapper. Or...

[tomder55]

Thanks to a bipartisan anti-smoking statute, the nanny state's FDA has come up with some nice images to take up half the space of a pack of cigarettes, corpses, rotten lungs and teeth, etc.

Next up if they haven't banned Happy Meals, burgers and fries altogether - images of bypass surgery on your fries and 900 lb people on your hamburger wrapper. Or...

The Brits tried something similar
Death (cigarette) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think adding a 'quit smoking hotline' # on the package would be more effective .

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

Here we go, off the rails once again... Please pay attention... We're talking about the IDEA of the nanny state banning stuff - not drug laws or states rights issues, or the Constitution, or federal law... We're talking about an IDEA - at least we were.

The OP was dissing the "nanny state". I simply mentioned that you guys LIKE the nanny state when it suits your purposes, even though you SAY you don't. It's like our discussion the other day about "big" government... You LIKE "big" government when it suits your purposes, even though you SAY you don't.

It's no more difficult than that.

excon

And I have no problem with States banning certain things... while not others. You for example LIKE regulations pertaining to sex offenders... You LIKE regulations that will transfer wealth from those that earn it to those who are too lazy.

You like regulations that force Half the population that works hard to not only pay for their own health are... but for the other half too.

You want a PRIME example of NannyState... look no further than the Obama Administration and Obamacare.

[smoothy]

The Brits tried something similiar
Death (cigarette) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think adding a 'quit smoking hotline' # on the package would be more effective .

Is there a human being walking this earth in an advanced culture that DOESN'T know Smoking causes cancer?

And if they don't... WHY? And if they are that stupid to know what it does, why are they allowed to walk free.

Now if they do know and still smoke... its because they don't give a damn... yeah it probibly IS a hard habit to break... but if they don't try then whose fault is it.

Everyone has seen those pictures by now... except for those in a few third world locations that are totally illiterate and have never seen a TV... the rest are fully aware today. And yeah... a quit Smoking Hotline would have better results.

[TUT317]

The Brits tried something similiar
Death (cigarette) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think adding a 'quit smoking hotline' # on the package would be more effective .

Australia has led the way when it comes to grisly photos on cigarette packets. These photos and aggressive anti-smoking programms have seen a significant decline in the number of smokers.

Australia has, and will have some of the toughest anti-smoking legislation in the world. By 2012 all cigarettes will be in plain packets ( no logos allowed). An increase in cigarette tax will go directly in health care.

Upon reading posts about 'the nanny state' one thing puzzles me above everything else. Your constitution guarantees you, 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. Our constitution doesn't have these type of rights yet, in Australia we see universal health care as necessary for 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. In other words, we see it as a fundamental right in the same way we see free speech as a fundamental right.

You have such rights in your constitution yet you seem to reject any idea that health care is a fundamental right for everyone regardless of their capacity to pay.


Tut

[excon]

You have such rights in your constitution yet you seem to reject any idea that health care is a fundamental right for everyone regardless of their capacity to pay.

Hello TUT:

Blows me away too. We certainly believe that a citizen has a RIGHT to have a fire in his HOUSE put out - but not one in his belly... Makes no sense..

excon

[speechlesstx]

You have such rights in your constitution yet you seem to reject any idea that health care is a fundamental right for everyone regardless of their capacity to pay.

And as far as I know every hospital in America has to treat people regardless of their ability to pay. We've been there and discussed this. NO ONE is refused health care in America and insurance coverage is not a fundamental right.

[NeedKarma]

So why don't most people just stop paying those crazy monthly premiums and just go to the hospital for free?

[excon]

And as far as I know every hospital in America has to treat people regardless of their ability to pay. We've been there and discussed this. NO ONE is refused health care in America and insurance coverage is not a fundamental right.

Hello again, Steve:

I never did let you get away with your misstatements, and I'm not going to start NOW.

You get EMERGENCY treatment in the hospital. You don't get LONG TERM treatment. People who don't have insurance and who need LONG TERM treatment, in this country, DIED before this health care law. They suffered the nations DEATH PANEL. TUT is simply pointing out our very own DEATH PANEL, that you seem to want to go BACK to.

You don't get cancer treatment in the emergency room... You don't get your appendix taken out in the emergency room... You DIE if you need that stuff. How is it, that you DON'T know that??

excon

[NeedKarma]

Compassionate Conservatism, Texas Style ? Progressive Nation

[speechlesstx]

I think adding a 'quit smoking hotline' # on the package would be more effective .

I have no doubt these images would be somewhat effective. In your face offensive, but effective. But if they're going to be consistent and fair, I do expect such graphic warnings on food packaging, alcohol and prescription labels.

On all those wheels of cheese they're pushing on us they should add images of clogged arteries and bypass surgery. Every glass of Pinot Noir served at the White House should be plastered with images of roadside memorials and drunk driving accidents. And goodness, I can't even begin to describe the graphics that should be on a prescription bottle of Lyrica.

[NeedKarma]

I have no doubt these images would be somewhat effective. In your face offensive, but effective. But if they're going to be consistent and fair, I do expect such graphic warnings on food packaging, alcohol and prescription labels.

On all those wheels of cheese they're pushing on us they should add images of clogged arteries and bypass surgery. Every glass of Pinot Noir served at the White House should be plastered with images of roadside memorials and drunk driving accidents. And goodness, I can't even begin to describe the graphics that should be on a prescription bottle of Lyrica.

One can enjoy a glass of fine wine with a meal. I can have some grated cheese on my pasta. Can you think of any benefits of smoking?

[smoothy]

Australia has led the way when it comes to grisly photos on cigarette packets. These photos and aggressive anti-smoking programms have seen a significant decline in the number of smokers.

Australia has, and will have some of the toughest anti-smoking legislation in the world. By 2012 all cigarettes will be in plain packets ( no logos allowed). An increase in cigarette tax will go directly in health care.

Upon reading posts about 'the nanny state' one thing puzzles me above everything else. Your constitution guarantees you, 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. Our constitution doesn't have these type of rights yet, in Australia we see universal health care as necessary for 'life liberty and the pursuit of happiness'. In other words, we see it as a fundamental right in the same way we see free speech as a fundamental right.

You have such rights in your constitution yet you seem to reject any idea that health care is a fundamental right for everyone regardless of their capacity to pay.


Tut

The problem is almost half the population expects the other half to pay so they can get it free. THat means the half that works the hardest has to pay twice as much to support the lazy half.

Fact is if you went into any Hospital emergency room... they would treat you for free.

They could NOT refuse treatment. That is something they don't want everyone to know.

And incidentally... there is NO country on the earth with socialized medicine that doesn't practice some form or quota and rationing of certain services.

And yes I can click off a list of close personal friiends and family that are now dead because of European socialized medicine that would likely be alive right now if they had been in the USA. And yes I've seen the insides of European hospitals way too often as well as having been a patient in an American hospital a few times... I'd much rather pay to be in ours than be in one of theirs for free.

At least in ours if you need it now you get it now. Except for organ transplants there is no waiting list.

[speechlesstx]

I never did let you get away with your misstatements, and I'm not going to start NOW.

I didn't make any misstatement, I was 100 percent correct.

You get EMERGENCY treatment in the hospital. You don't get LONG TERM treatment.

And your state or community didn't already take care of those who needed a safety net? Mine does, always has and you know this because we've discussed the fact that my daughter was brought HERE to Amarillo, TX in the year 2000 to be treated for AIDS and all of the opportunistic infections she had with it. Her life was saved by our community hospital, her meds were taken care of by the State of Texas, and a PRIVATE physician provided her long-term care, so enough of this bullsh*t that I don't know what I'm talking about. OK?

[NeedKarma]

Fact is if you went into any Hospital emergency room...they would treat you for free.

They could NOT refuse treatment.

So why doesn't everyone do that then?

[excon]

At least in ours you need it now you get it now.

Hello again, smoothy:

If you need a cancer removed, you DON'T get it now. You DON'T get it EVER. You DIE. Do you not understand this?

excon