[tomder55]

NK its ratings period. He would not have been pulled from either if his ratings justified it.
His show could be renamed 'Countdown to no ratings'.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/07/01...-q4-2008/21842

[excon]

Hello again,

Here's what Dr. Rachel Maddow had to say on the subject... She's right on...

“Let this incident lay to rest forever the facile, never-true-anyway, bull-pucky, lazy conflation of Fox News and what the rest of us do for a living. I know everybody likes to say, 'Oh, that's cable news, it's all the same. Fox and MSNBC, mirror images of each other.' Let this lay that to rest forever. Hosts on Fox News raise money for Republican candidates. They endorse them explicitly, they use their Fox News profile to headline fundraisers. Heck, there are multiple people being paid by Fox News now to essentially run for office as Republican candidates….They can do that because there's no rule against that as Fox. They run as a political operation; we're not.”

I know you wingers won't/can't get the distinction between Fox and MSNBC, cause you can't tell the difference between end of life counseling and a death panel...

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[speechlesstx]

Dude, Maddow can sit on her high horse all she wants but it's a straw man.

A) Olbermann was suspended for violating MSNBC policy, not donating. MSNBC policy is he needed prior approval which he didn't get. Fox pulled Hannity from a Tea Party rally in April, so don't tell me they have no policies.

B) Having partisan analysts on the payroll is nothing new. MSNBC also has partisan analysts.

C) The media has historically endorsed candidates in EVERY election. It's nothing new.

[excon]

B) Having partisan analysts on the payroll is nothing new. MSNBC also has partisan analysts.

Hello again, Steve:

Ok. I'll buy your argument. But, it really makes no difference.. You can call it partisan analysis, or you can call it news. What is WAS, was BUNK - pure unadulterated BUNK. If it IS a news organization, it isn't a very good one...

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[tomder55]

Are we talking about Olberman now or the India trip ?

Olberman ? I see nothing wrong with his contributions. As Steve says it was internal policy that he violated. Like I said ;I believe it's more corporate politics and ratings .

Richard Fernandez at Belmont Club nails it in the comment section of his latest posting.

If the idea of prohibiting contributions is to ensure that Olbermann and those in similar positions are 'nonpartisan' or 'objective', then that confusing appearances with reality. Then it is about making it seem like Olbermann is nonpartisan or objective, though who exactly would believe that is open to question. Better that he should nail his colors to the mast then sail under the Jolly Roger, like a ship of no nation. In that way people could watch Olbermann knowing where he is coming from. Those who agree with him can agree and those who disagree can disagree.

Belmont Club The Lights of Mirkwood

Still waiting to see if the WH will disclose the cost of this trip. If it is $200 million per day I would not think it excessive. So why should they be afraid to disclose the fact that there is a lot of security associated with a junket of this nature?
I happen to think it imperitive that the US and India become close allies with multiple levels of cooperation .

[excon]

So why should they be afraid to disclose the fact that there is alot of security associated with a junket of this nature?

Hello again, tom:

I agree, disclosure is good when it comes to WHO is contributing money to defeat or elect our representatives... But, it's NOT so good when it comes to security matters... Do I detect some admiration for Wikkileaks??

However, pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell told reporters he was making an exception to the practice of not discussing presidential security details to shoot down the reports.

“I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president's trip to Asia,” said Morrell at today's Pentagon briefing. “That's just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.”

If THIS isn't disclosure enough for you, we'll have to make up a name for people like you. Birthers and tenthers are already taken. How about $200 millioners...

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[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I'm just wondering, if Dan Rather gets fired for making up news, why doesn't Eric Bolling?

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[tomder55]

Yes but I have no doubt a carrier group patrols the Indian Ocean . I don't think it would be a bad idea at all.
As for the costs... already the President has announced $10 billion in business deals in his 1st day. I cannot emphasis enough how important nurturing a solid economic ,military alliance with India is for our future. GW Bush got the ball rolling and it is critical that a bilateral friendship is nutured by the current ,and future POTUS .

[excon]

it is critical that a bilateral friendship is nutured by the current ,and future POTUS .

Hello again, tom:

It IS... But, that isn't what we're talking about here... It's the LIES and MADE UP STORIES, and how it reverberates within the rightwing noise machine. It's about how a sitting congresswoman has the balls to go on TV and repeat those lies, and doesn't even bother to vet the story... She's a CONGRESSWOMAN.. She has a RESPONSIBILITY to speak the truth to the nation, and she has the RESOURCES to check out the story... But, she didn't.

It's also about a so called news organization who has the same responsibility to tell the TRUTH to the nation. They TOO didn't bother to check the story out... What's WORSE, is they have the balls to call themselves a news organization.. I say again, they are a political machine for Republicans...

THAT is what this thread is about...

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[tomder55]

And we know it lies because some Navy spokesperson said the carrier group in the Indian Oceans is not dispatched their specifically to guard the President .

I know of at least one carrier deployed there possibly more . There has to be at least one just to support the AfPakia effort. A carrier group is possibly as many as 15 support ships and subs .
I don't know how many ships we have there... but the original reports were from India news sources .Hard then to claim that it was a made up story . Yeah they probably should've vetted the story or sourced it before making a definitive statement about it.

It's also about a so called news organization who has the same responsibility to tell the TRUTH to the nation. They TOO didn't bother to check the story out.

For a minute there I thought you were talking about the phony Chamber of Commerce story again.

[tomder55]

Here's the deal on Olberman . He caused his boss to look like an idiot.
Ollby went on one of his rants about FOX parent company News Corp about donating to Republicans. Then his boss Phil Griffin got in the act and issued a challenge to News Corp saying "Show me an example of us fundraising."
The New York Times > Log In

Well then came the revelation about Olby's donations.Griffin had no choice... Olby isn't coming back .

[NeedKarma]

You're equating a network fundraising for a specific party versus an individual contributing to a candidate. You don't see a difference?

[speechlesstx]

You're equating a network fundraising for a specific party versus an individual contributing to a candidate. You don't see a difference?

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what fundraising Fox News specifically did. Citation please?

[speechlesstx]

And here is the Indian source:

Mumbai: The US would be spending a whopping $200 million (Rs. 900 crore approx) per day on President Barack Obama's visit to the city.

"The huge amount of around $200 million would be spent on security, stay and other aspects of the Presidential visit," a top official of the Maharashtra Government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit said.

About 3,000 people including Secret Service agents, US government officials and journalists would accompany the President. Several officials from the White House and US security agencies are already here for the past one week with helicopters, a ship and high-end security instruments.

"Except for personnel providing immediate security to the President, the US officials may not be allowed to carry weapons. The state police is competent to take care of the security measures and they would be piloting the Presidential convoy," the official said on condition of anonymity.

Navy and Air Force has been asked by the state government to intensify patrolling along the Mumbai coastline and its airspace during Obama's stay. The city's airspace will be closed half-an-hour before the President's arrival for all aircraft barring those carrying the US delegation.

The personnel from SRPF, Force One, besides the NSG contingent stationed here would be roped in for the President's security, the official said.

The area from Hotel Taj, where Obama and his wife Michelle would stay, to Shikra helipad in Colaba would be cordoned off completely during the movement of the President.

The source's source was an Indian government official... and it sounds expensive. If you want some really dramatic news with a spin, try this place.

[NeedKarma]

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what fundraising Fox News specifically did. Citation please?

Burns asks if Fox News "is trying to replace the Republican Party" | Media Matters for America

Z on TV: Hannity, Fox cross line with on-air GOP fund raising - TV show critic David Zurawik on the show business, culture and craziness of television - baltimoresun.com

[tomder55]

You're equating a network fundraising for a specific party versus an individual contributing to a candidate. You don't see a difference?

It's not me who made the call. I think Olby should remain. It's his boss who's panties are in a knot .

Does anyone think that he even pretends to be objective ? The few people who watch this kook know exactly what they are watching .

[speechlesstx]

Burns asks if Fox News "is trying to replace the Republican Party" | Media Matters for America

Z on TV: Hannity, Fox cross line with on-air GOP fund raising - TV show critic David Zurawik on the show business, culture and craziness of television - baltimoresun.com

A) I'm sure no other candidate has ever plugged themselves on any other network... ever. :rolleyes:

B) I already linked to the George Soros Media Matters nonsense, so you're a little behind. They're shocked, SHOCKED, that their employees have appeared on their network some 269 times. (and didn't I say that Alan Grayson was on Olbermann's show 62 times?)

And again, I also said Olby should keep his show. I don't get overly excited that an opinion guys shares his opinions and donates to people he likes, unlike those of you who think the opinion guys on Fox should be objective news reporters.

[speechlesstx]

Olby will be back on his high horse tomorrow.

As for Maddow's claim that Fox hosts were raising money for the GOP...

[excon]

As for Maddow's claim that Fox hosts were raising money for the GOP...

Hello again, Steve:

Those bastards...

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[tomder55]

Two days... I wonder if the suspension coincided with any vaction time he had coming ? This has the look of a publicity stunt. You know tomorrow he will have his biggest ever audience listening to his Howard Beale rants.

I prefer the honesty of people disseminating information being open about their political leanings. It beats to hell the days when phoney's like Walter Cronkite hid their leanings and pretended to be trusted gate-keepers of truth .