[paraclete]

Some here have suggested the US abandon Pakistan and side with India, but if they did so would they be supporting a totalarian regime

[excon]

now we will see if the US is on the side of freedom

Hello clete:

So, if we did NOTHING, then we're NOT on the side of freedom? Dude! That's a "when did you stop beating your wife", question.

By the way, isn't Australia on the side of freedom? What are YOU doing about it?

excon

[tomder55]

India is not a totalitarian regime . What gave you that idea ? If the Kashmiri jihadists were allowed to break away to form an independent sharia compliant nation ,then supporting them would be supporting totalitarians.

[paraclete]

Hello clete:

So, if we did NOTHING, then we're NOT on the side of freedom? Dude! That's a "when did you stop beating your wife", question.

By the way, isn't Australia on the side of freedom? What are YOU doing about it?

excon

I'm waiting to see what Krudd has to say, as he is in the US at the UN he has an opportunity to denounce the actions of the Indian government and push for a conclusion to the Kashmir dispute with equal vigour to pushing for a conclusion to the Palestinian dispute. The UN has abrogated its responsibility for sixty years in this matter

Sometimes doing nothing is not an option, but yes, if you remain silent, I think we could take that as tacit approval, and, yes, both the US and its allies have to get to the stage where they are not beating anyone one up but espousing the causes of down trodden people.

[paraclete]

India is not a totalitarian regime . What gave you that idea ? If the Kashmiri jihadists were allowed to break away to form an independent sharia compliant nation ,then supporting them would be supporting totalitarians.

I think the general idea Tom is that they would like to join their fellow islamists in Pakistan and it makes sense since the vast majority are Muslim. Just because their Hindu kings made a decision to be part of India is no reason why they cannot exercise a democratic right which has been denied them but this is about more than people and land, there is some oil in there somewhere..

These people have been held in statsis on a whim of the British Raj and the world has ignored them. If there is a dispute which could once again bring two major states into conflict it is this one. If the two states solution is good enough for Israel something similar is surely good enough for Kashmir.

We, the Kashmiri people - Hindustan Times

[tomder55]

I'm waiting to see what Krudd has to say, as he is in the US at the UN

Yuk you had to remind me about the UN meeting . The clown Mahdi-hatter will be here all week. When Krudd sees him he should condemn the Iranians for inciting the Kashmir riots.

[tomder55]

And why should India give it up. The whole divide of the sub-continent is an artificial construct. Millions of lives were lost for that folly .

Sorry ,the whole idea is to back liberty . We already see what happens when tyranny perverts the enterprise . Hamas stole the election in Gaza. The Mahdi hatter stole the election in Iran ,Hugo Chavez has stolen democracy from the Venezuelans.

And I'll reserve judgement on today's elections in Afghanistan.

[paraclete]

and why should India give it up. The whole divide of the sub-continent is an artifical construct. Millions of lives were lost for that folly .

Sorry ,the whole idea is to back liberty . We already see what happens when tyranny perverts the enterprise . Hamas stole the election in Gaza. The Mahdi hatter stole the election in Iran ,Hugo Chavez has stolen democracy from the Venezuelans.

and I'll reserve judgement on today's elections in Afghanistan.

And the little red fox has stolen democracy from the Australians, you forgot that more recent example..

Tom, I don't hold much hope for you. When the election result doesn't go your way it was stolen but then you have such a fine tradition of stolen elections, we need only to look to Bush who stole the USA. The Kashmiri's haven't been allowed to exercise their opinion. They were promised a plebisite on their fate in 1947 by the UN and it never happened. Logic says the Vale of Kashmir, 95% Muslim, goes to Pakistan and Jammu, predominately Hindu, goes to India. At the moment these two distinct populations are rolled into one convenient administrative unit So much for liberty

[galveston]

Bush stole the 2000 election? If Gore had won, would it have been a fair election? Those Florida votes were counted several times, and Bush still won.

Give it up, Clete.

[tomder55]

Logic says the Vale of Kashmir, 95% Muslim, goes to Pakistan and Jammu, predominately Hindu, goes to India.

Do you proscribe a dissection of the whole planet along ethnic majority lines like a modern day Lawrence of Arabia ? How shall Australia be divided ? Why hasn't ethnic Kurdistan been carved out of modern Turkey ,Iran,Iraq,and Syria yet ? Why not shill for their cause ? They have already demonstrated an ability for self determination .

Bush 2000 ? I've addressed that before. The only thing that happened there was the Supreme Court reversing the unconstitutional decision of the Florida Supreme Court . The unfortunate thing was that Gore dragged the court system into the process in the 1st place. There is where the deviation from our system occurred.
An independent group of news organizations did their own count of the Fla ballots and determined that Bush won the state by a bigger count than the official count.

[paraclete]

An independent group of news organizations did their own count of the Fla ballots and determined that Bush won the state by a bigger count than the official count.

Ah well elections by media and poll, that makes it official. I don't know why we have elections at all. All of this is avoiding the issue, Those people have been denied the right to self determination that everyone else seeks and yes, perhaps the Kurds should have their own nation even if that is inconvenient, After all we allowed the Jews to carve up Palistine and they didn't even live there a hundred years earlier, so why shouldn't we allow people who have been there for centuries to form a nation based on religion and ethnicity. I decry double standards and the bull$**** of political correctness and false national borders

As to Australia, I have no problem with Arnhem or the Kimberly making its own way, just as I have no problem with North Queensland or New England or Orana becoming new states