[Athos]

De Maria has no corner on Bible verse quoting,

What I like about De Maria is that it's refreshing to see a Catholic out-bibling all the Biblicists here (not you, of course). Catholics get their Bible at Mass with the Gospels and the epistles and certain brief quotations from the Psalms or Amos or some other OT book. At least, they used to. These days it's all guitars and kumbaya. (Just kidding, just kidding).

[Wondergirl]

What I like about De Maria is that it's refreshing to see a Catholic out-bibling all the Biblicists here (not you, of course)

And you chided me for being nasty? For all the Bibling he does, he has been incorrect in his interpretation.

[Wondergirl]

Piffle yourself.

Yeah, that's all I need - for you to start bolding verses. If you do, I'll start quoting the Bhagavad-Gita.

I see you had your raw meat this morning. And you used to be so nice going around baking cupcakes for everybody.

Wanna dance?

So if I show a little backbone, I get patted on the head and whirled around the dance floor (and sent to the kitchen -- barefoot and pregnant, I presume?). Never mind that what I said had some merit. After all, De Maria is the hero here.

[Athos]

And you chided me for being nasty? For all the Bibling he does, he has been incorrect in his interpretation.

So say you.

Anyway, where's the nasty?

[Wondergirl]

Anyway, where's the nasty?

Lurking in your parens.

[Athos]

So if I show a little backbone, I get patted on the head and whirled around the dance floor (and sent to the kitchen -- barefoot and pregnant, I presume?). Never mind that what I said had some merit. After all, De Maria is the hero here.

Whoa. Slow down, girl. Barefoot and pregnant? Where did THAT come from?

My attempt at lightening the dialogue has fallen with a great big THUD. My apologies.

Have a nice day.

[Wondergirl]

[edit - later thought - Adam was made in the "image" of God. Adam sinned. Does that mean God could have sinned? Just a thought].

So, back to the topic of the thread -- any further thoughts on this (after pondering the bolded portions of the Bible verses I had posted earlier)?

[Wondergirl]

lightening the dialogue

Oooops, silly me. I took it as patronizing. My bad.

[Athos]

So, back to the topic of the thread -- any further thoughts on this (after pondering the bolded portions of the Bible verses I had posted earlier)?

Athos left. I'm his long-lost brother, Aramis.

He said to tell you he's sorry for anything he ever said or did in the past, sorry for anything now in the present, and sorry for anything he is yet to do in the future.

He went to Tibet to join a monastery.

[Wondergirl]

He went to Tibet to join a monastery.

Is he allowed to eat cupcakes?

Now, let's get back to the topic of this thread. (Sheesh.)

[Athos]

Is he allowed to eat cupcakes?

Now, let's get back to the topic of this thread. (Sheesh.)

I have said all I have to say on the topic. If you want to sling Bible verses back and forth like a sword, I'm not your man for that.

I don't believe God limits his creation to a series of 60-70 books written by as many authors two thousand plus years ago with almost as many interpretations.

But that's just me.

[TUT317]

In relation to the original question.

I think when discussing this topic it may be helpful to look at identity in terms of its empirical base and its metaphysical base. Athos' account seems to be empirical account. In other words, we need to specify the types of statements we are using when talking about identity

Athos seems to be largely doing this so I would say that he is correct in many of the things he has pointed out.

Tut

[Athos]

In relation to the original question.

I think when discussing this topic it may be helpful to look at identity in terms of its empirical base and its metaphysical base. Athos' account seems to be empirical account. In other words, we need to specify the types of statements we are using when talking about identity

Athos seems to be largely doing this so I would say that he is correct in many of the things he has pointed out.

Tut

Thank you, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

If you can put it plain language, I would be happy to read it.

[Wondergirl]

I have said all I have to say on the topic.

I'm sorry to read that.

If you want to sling Bible verses back and forth like a sword, I'm not your man for that.

The verses were first slung as proof that works are needed for salvation. I countered that with a reasonable interpretation of the "slung" passage.

I don't believe God limits his creation to a series of 60-70 books written by as many authors two thousand plus years ago with almost as many interpretations.

I don't either, but we are on the Christianity board discussion a topic in the Christian faith. Quoting the Bhagavad Gita won't help.

[TUT317]

Thank you, but I have no idea what you are talking about.

If you can put it plain language, I would be happy to read it.

Hi Athos,

No problem, but I won't be able to do it until late this afternoon.

Regards

Tut

[Athos]

I'm sorry to read that.

The verses were first slung as proof that works are needed for salvation. I countered that with a reasonable interpretation of the "slung" passage.

I don't either, but we are on the Christianity board discussion a topic in the Christian faith. Quoting the Bhagavad Gita won't help.

My Bhagavad Gita was a joke (obviously). I don't doubt your counter interpretations were reasonable. Counter interpretations always are - wherein lies the problem.

Any collection of books reaching three quarters of a million words written over several centuries will always lend itself to various interpretations. That is why I shy away from "slinging" verses.

I believe I could take any 70 books, about any topic, and "prove" any agenda I may have at the moment. It's simply a matter of finding (cherry picking - your excellent phrase, not patronizing) what you want.

"My" God, for what it's worth, is not limited to a book. That is one reason why I can appreciate Catholicism which has historically tried, not always successfully, to expand the understanding of God through its Magisterium and even through its patronage of the arts over the centuries. I am not a spokesman for that faith - others will do it much better than I.

I can even see God's hand in the clarity of Islam (not the radical variety so in the news today), the beauty of Hinduism, and the simplicity of Buddhism.

So, for me, exchanging Bible verses is a "chasing of the wind", to quote Ecclesiastes.

[Wondergirl]

exchanging Bible verses is a "chasing of the wind"

We weren't exchanging; we were untangling.

[De Maria]

Hi Wondergirl,

Still waiting for a response:

What happens if we DO NOT obey the Gospel?
1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

[Wondergirl]

Hi Wondergirl,

Still waiting for a response:

What happens if we DO NOT obey the Gospel?
1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

I went back a number of pages but could not find your original question about this. I am not familiar with the term "obeying the Gospel." What is there to obey? The Greek means literally "refusing to be persuaded by."

[De Maria]

I went back a number of pages but could not find your original question about this.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...ml#post2512472

I am not familiar with the term "obeying the Gospel." What is there to obey?

You ask, "What is there to obey?" Is that a serious inquiry?

The Greek means literally "refusing to be persuaded by."

In other words, "refusing to believe". Whom do you think this is in reference to?