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    #661

    Aug 25, 2010, 07:36 AM

    I agree. I have no problem with people protesting something being built for valid reasons.

    Not liking the owner isn't a valid reason, imo.
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    #662

    Aug 25, 2010, 07:37 AM

    I think you mean that there will be a community center in the mosque.
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    #663

    Aug 25, 2010, 07:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    I agree. I have no problem with people protesting something being built for valid reasons.

    Not liking the owner isn't a valid reason, imo.
    Well I'm glad that at least is clarified .However ,those of us who do oppose the placing of the mosque there have been vilified not only for being anti-Muslim but also for being against Constitutional principles.
    I can't speak for others motivations . But I dispute the charges directed against me.
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    Aug 25, 2010, 07:43 AM
    So now you're the victim? LOL!
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    #665

    Aug 25, 2010, 07:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I think you mean that there will be a community center in the mosque.
    I thought there is to be a large prayer room in the 13-story community center that will contain a swimming pool, a 500-seat auditorium, childcare area, bookstore, culinary area, food court, theater, meeting rooms, locker rooms, arts center, basketball court, etc. I'm guessing the baklava will be awesome!
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    Aug 25, 2010, 07:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I thought there is to be a large prayer room in the 13-story community center that will contain a swimming pool, a 500-seat auditorium, childcare area, bookstore, culinary area, food court, theater, meeting rooms, locker rooms, arts center, basketball court, etc. I'm guessing the baklava will be awesome!
    ^^
    This is the correct answer. It also has "a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all".

    The Pentagon contains a mosque. Does that make the Pentagon a mosque?
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    Aug 25, 2010, 07:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    The Pentagon contains a mosque. Does that make the Pentagon a mosque?
    I was told that the real estate company and developer Soho Properties call it a mosque. I wonder why. Or did things get twisted along the way?
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    #668

    Aug 25, 2010, 07:57 AM
    I haven't seen that, I've seen "community center".
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:02 AM

    It probably has to do with zoning and tax exemption, WG.
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:05 AM

    I have not even heard Daisy Kahn dispute the description of it being a mosque.
    Mayor Bloomberg at a Ramadan celebration called it a mosque . EVERY news report from every source I've read has called it a mosque. I don't understand why this is even in dispute . The proponents ,political leadership ,and project leaders all call it a mosque.
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:07 AM
    Then why don't they call the pentagon a mosque? Same setup: small prayer room within a large building.
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:12 AM

    They don't because it isn't . In the Pentagon they set aside a room for anyone to pray. There is no mosque in the Pentagon.
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    #673

    Aug 25, 2010, 08:15 AM

    Im currently in Iraq serving as a Military Police Soldier. As a soldier I have to say that I am fighting for all the people in the united states to have equal rights which includes the building of a mosque. I don't think it's a question about the rights that they have I think its about how innappropriate it is to build a place of muslum worship near a place where the people responsible for the attack were doing it on behalf of there muslum belifs it is simply inhuman to place that mosque in New York near ground Zero. I believe in equal rights and I am proud to protect people of all religions and race but I think this is a much more complicated subject.
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    #674

    Aug 25, 2010, 08:21 AM
    Yet they have churches near playgrounds! Inappropriate and inhuman.
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:23 AM
    The Ground Zero whatever you call it DOES contain plans for a mosque, and it is a mosque because they call it a mosque. I've been wondering for weeks why so many people are saying there is no mosque when the owners say there is. Why is that?
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:23 AM

    The question becomes this:

    If we prevent them from building a mosque near Ground Zero--how does that make us the better country? How does that make us better people?

    Preventing or protesting the mosque near Ground Zero simply shows the world that we ARE the arrogant, hypocritcal people that they say we are.
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Yet they have churches near playgrounds! Inappropriate and inhuman.
    Our church HAS a playground, so what?
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Our church HAS a playground, so what?
    People should protest against the church. I'll alert Fox News. We must protect the children.
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    Aug 25, 2010, 08:27 AM

    Steve NK's non sequitur was meant to be a cheap smear of Catholics.
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    #680

    Aug 25, 2010, 08:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Synnen View Post
    The question becomes this:

    If we prevent them from building a mosque near Ground Zero--how does that make us the better country? How does that make us better people?

    Preventing or protesting the mosque near Ground Zero simply shows the world that we ARE the arrogant, hypocritcal people that they say we are.
    Synnen, no one is PREVENTING them from doing anything. They already have the green light to go forward. Pressure is another thing altogether. Pressuring and protesting is as American as apple pie, just ask Code Pink next time they decide to protest a military recruitment center or environmental groups the next time someone tries to build anything in the countryside.

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