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    #161

    Aug 12, 2010, 09:20 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    This is the wisest thing that has been said so far in this thread.

    We should be out there helping the Muslims build that building.
    "the Muslims?" Ok, fine. But as for me, I hesitate only because "they" (the Muslims that want to build it") don't want to disclose where the financing comes from.

    If the financing comes from Al-Quaida I would not let it be built if I were the one in charge of making the decision.

    I'd say "NIMBY".

    Not in my back yard.

    So why would they NOT want to confirm the financing source(s)?
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    #162

    Aug 12, 2010, 09:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    So why would they NOT want to confirm the financing source(s)??
    Did you look at the Cordoba Initiative's Web site?
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    Aug 12, 2010, 10:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Did you look at the Cordoba Initiative's Web site?
    No, I did not. What's the link?
    I am an open minded person so am happy to see other opinions (which is why I hang in there with this thread :) )
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    #164

    Aug 12, 2010, 11:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    No, I did not. What's the link?
    I am an open minded person so am happy to see other opinions (which is why I hang in there with this thread :) )
    I had Googled to find it. It's difficult to believe the board of directors would allow funding from a questionable source.
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    Aug 12, 2010, 11:38 AM

    We should be out there helping the Muslims build that building.
    Lol what happened to that vaunted "wall of separation" ?

    In fact we have a history of rebuilding mosques . The most recent one being I believe in Fallujah .

    Wondergirl .Knowing the significance of Cordoba and the Muslim conquest of Spain and the symbolism attached to that name ;why would they name their project the Cordoba Initiative ? They must think we are all ignorant .FYI... for those who may not know,The great mosque at Cordoba was built on the foundation of a Christian cathedral.
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    #166

    Aug 12, 2010, 11:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    It's difficult to believe the board of directors would allow funding from a questionable source.
    That's what I've thought from the beginning. If I were he mayor or the governor I'd want to know who is funding the project.

    Wouldn't all americans be ticked to find out that something built on the site of the 9-11 terrorist attack was funded by those that support the ones that did the damage?
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    Aug 12, 2010, 11:48 AM

    In April, U.S. Ambassador to Tanzania Alfonso E. Lenhardt helped cut the ribbon at the 12th-century Kizimkazi Mosque, which was refurbished with assistance from the United States under a program to preserve culturally significant buildings. The U.S. government also helped save the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque in Cairo, which dates back to 642. The mosque’s namesake was the Muslim conqueror of Christian Egypt, who built the structure on the site where he had pitched his tent before doing battle with the country’s Byzantine rulers. For those who think the Ground Zero Mosque is an example of “Muslim triumphalism” glorifying conquest, the Amr Ebn El Aas Mosque is an example of such a monument – and one paid for with U.S. taxpayer funds.
    EDITORIAL: Tax dollars to build mosques - Washington Times
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    #168

    Aug 12, 2010, 01:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    lol what happened to that vaunted "wall of separation" ?
    Hello again, tom:

    I'm sure WG meant that well meaning Christians and Jews should be helping to build the mosque. She surly didn't mean the government should help. What's that called? A red herring?

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    #169

    Aug 13, 2010, 05:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    I'm sure WG meant that well meaning Christians and Jews should be helping to build the mosque.
    Why should that be?
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    Aug 13, 2010, 06:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Why should that be?
    Hello again, Steve:

    If YOU, as a Christian, don't know why, this atheist can't help much.

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    #171

    Aug 13, 2010, 07:09 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJ View Post
    That's what I've thought from the beginning. If I were he mayor or the governor I'd want to know who is funding the project.
    Do people generally inquire as to the funding behind the building of churches? Or those godawful "megachurches"?
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    #172

    Aug 13, 2010, 07:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    If YOU, as a Christian, don't know why, this atheist can't help much.
    But you knew what wondergirl meant, I'm sure you would know why as well.
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    #173

    Aug 13, 2010, 07:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Do people generally inquire as to the funding behind the building of churches? or those godawful "megachurches"?
    Is there some reason we should?
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    #174

    Aug 13, 2010, 08:00 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Is there some reason we should?
    Fondling of little boys and the subsequent cover-up.
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    #175

    Aug 13, 2010, 08:26 AM

    I see, possible pedophile ties yes, terrorist ties no. Well I'm a Baptist anyway so I don't know what that has to with us or for that matter, those 'godawful "megachurches"'.
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    #176

    Aug 13, 2010, 08:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I see, possible pedophile ties yes, terrorist ties no. Well I'm a Baptist anyway so I don't know what that has to with us
    Hello again, Steve:

    You're missing the point on sooo many levels.

    Let me see. You have a GROUP of ORGANIZED pedophiles making a broad based attack on the WORLDS children, WITH the collusion of their hierarchy, AND our cops (who tend to BE Catholic). I'd call that terrorist activity. You wouldn't?? Dude!

    The question NK asked, was asked through his prism of our Constitution, which is funny because he doesn't even have one. Interestingly, he knows more about it than regular right wing Constitution loving wingers... He realizes, where you don't, that calling for an investigation into a MUSLIM church, while not simultaneously calling for one on Christian churches, IS discriminatory. Now, it's FINE for YOU, as individuals, to call for an investigation. You're allowed, by our wonderful Constitution, to BE bigots.

    The government, however, is not. As long as the finances of Christian churches are not routinely examined, the government may NOT require it for religions it doesn't like. That is what EQUAL treatment under the law means.

    Equal treatment for people IS the cornerstone of our great nation. I don't understand, how YOU don't understand that.

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    #177

    Aug 13, 2010, 09:14 AM

    As I explained on another post where you insisted the church is under no obligation to IRS rules, my church IS already under government scrutiny as is I suppose just about every other church in America except yours. So, I have no problem with scrutinizing this mosque's funding either. Actually, especially so since Christian churches are not known for financing terrorism.
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    #178

    Aug 13, 2010, 09:16 AM

    I personally don't support the building of ANY building at or around ground zero. I do support the idea of building a memorial honoring ALL who died in the tragic event.
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    #179

    Aug 13, 2010, 09:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    As I explained on another post where you insisted the church is under no obligation to IRS rules, my church IS already under government scrutiny as is I suppose just about every other church in America except yours. So, I have no problem with scrutinizing this mosque's funding either. Actually, especially so since Christian churches are not known for financing terrorism.
    I have never heard of a church's funding being scrutinized, can you point us to some examples?
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    #180

    Aug 13, 2010, 09:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I have never heard of a church's funding being scrutinized, can you point us to some examples?
    Are you that dense you can't see it in my post or do you think
    As ex does that the IRS (and others) doesn't look into church finances?

    IRS Is Investigating Finances, Pastor of Sterling Church Says

    Pastor, Brooklyn Park church fight rare IRS audit

    Second IRS Violation Filed Against Living Word Christian Center and Pastor Mac Hammond

    IRS questions Hinn's tax-exempt status


    Investigating Televangelist Finances

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