[tomder55]

Clete , Monday Isreal launched retaliatory strikes into Gaza in response to rocket attacks from Gaza. These launches from Gaza are frequent and current.. .

As far as the West Bank goes, there is a chance for peace with Fatah as long as Mahmoud Abbas is the leader .But he has to concern himself with a Hamas takeover of the West Bank also.

US envoy George Mitchell is doing a sort of "shuttle diplomacy " between Jerusalem and Ramallah (a short drive) ;the prelude to the so called "proximity talks ". So far Israel has made all the concessions leading up to the talks .

[paraclete]

Clete , Monday Isreal launched retaliatory strikes into Gaza in response to rocket attacks from Gaza. These launches from Gaza are frequent and current . ..

As far as the West Bank goes, there is a chance for peace with Fatah as long as Mahmoud Abbas is the leader .But he has to concern himself with a Hamas takeover of the West Bank also.

US envoy George Mitchell is doing a sorta "shuttle diplomacy " between Jerusalem and Ramallah (a short drive) ;the prelude to the so called "proximity talks ". So far Israel has made all the concessions leading up to the talks .

Sadly, Tom, God long ago gave the Jews the remedy for peace in Israel, but they are just as incapable of implementing it today as they were then. They have tried conquest and it didn't work, they have tried concilliation and it hasn't worked, they have tried disengagement and it hasn't worked, and repression won't work either. A big wall appears to have worked on the West Bank but doubtfull such a solution would work on Gaza. As far as I can see the only solution that might work would be resettlement, the same solution that settled the Jewish question so long ago

[excon]

As far as I can see the only solution that might work would be resettlement, the same solution that settled the Jewish question so long ago

Hello clete:

I agree. The Palestinians should be moved enmass to Australia. The Jews had it nice in Gaza once. They can do it again.

excon

PS> The Jewish question, huh?? Sounds Naziish to me. You've always harbored a bit of antisemitism, haven't you?

[speechlesstx]

What is "the final solution" for $200?

I can't believe you would use the term "the Jewish question," Clete. But you did.

[tomder55]

Helen Thomas has some thoughts on that .

YouTube - Helen Thomas: Jews "get the hell out of Palestine" go back to "Germany and America"

Time for that cadaver to retire .

[tomder55]

The 12'ers in Tehran say that if the Supreme leader (or Grand Poobah) give the word they will escort the peace fleet . Iran Offers To Escort Gaza Aid Flotillas
But it is unlikely that Khamenei would approve such a sucidal mission for the Iranian Navy. Oh they like suicide all right ;so long as it is some sap they suckered into the cause. But Turkish leader Erdogan's rhetoric makes it appear that he is itiching for a fight with Israel.

It is possible that Turkey has been suckered into believing that if they confront Israel militarily that Iran will act in accord . But that means using their proxies like Hezzbollah and Hamas and most likey not sticking their necks out . And why should they if Turkey is willing to run with the ball ?

The Turk-Iranian alliance of convenience(for which it appears US Intel had little clue about) looks a lot like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Germany and the Soviets that temporarily masked a larger contest between them over control of Eastern Europe (or in this case the ummah). Iran could egg them on ;cheer from the sideline ,and watch with glee as the Israelis take down the nation that is emerging as their chief rival in the region.

The main question I have ;and I wish I was certain of the answer... is what side of a Turk-Israeli conflict will the US support ? Both nations are US allies (Turks are part of NATO)even if the Turks haven't acted like one in years.

[speechlesstx]

Mark Steyn has some comments on Turkey, whose PM is considering a visit to Gaza himself to break the blockade. Ralph Peters has some choice words for Erdogan and Washington also.

[speechlesstx]

Helen Thomas has some thoughts on that .

YouTube - Helen Thomas: Jews "get the hell out of Palestine" go back to "Germany and America"

Time for that cadaver to retire .

Lo and behold, the cadaver announced her retirement. What will the White House Press Corps do for a nutty old hag now?

[tomder55]

.. we're witnessing the greatest transformation in the Middle East in at least three decades, but our nervous leaders are bearing false testimony.

Exactly... the only thing I would add is that Turkey and Iran may be content for now in alliance to divvy up the ummah between Shia and Sunni interests (the Saudis have the money but not the means to prevent this... the Egyptian leadership would like to wash their hands of the Palestinian issue completely and are only concerned with dynastic succession right now )... but eventually ;like Hitler and Stalin ,I think there will be a betrayal.

[paraclete]

Hello clete:

I agree. The Palestinians should be moved enmass to Australia. The Jews had it nice in Gaza once. They can do it again.

excon

PS> The Jewish question, huh??? Sounds Naziish to me. You've always harbored a bit of antisemitism, haven't you?

No, Ex, you misunderstand, the question was where should the homeland of the Jews be, Uganda, Australia and Palistine were proposed and Palistine won, Balfour agreement and all that. I don't harbour anti-semiteism, ex, but I do question the wisdom of establishing a jewish enclave in the middle of hostile arab neighbours, still it was all part of the grand game played by the British empire and was probably done to counter French influence in the region. The Jews were pawns in the game just like everybody else.

There are many such questions in the world ex, unspoken questions because the answer might be embarrassing, what to do with displaced populations existing in refugee camps?

As to moving the Palestinians to Australia, We already have enough arabs and Muslims thank you, ex, we don't need more militants, besides I doubt they would get on with our Jewish population, and from my recollection the Jews never had Gaza anything, it belonged to the Phillistines and appearently still does

[speechlesstx]

We Con the World:

[speechlesstx]

A majority in Congress has signed a letter in support of Israel's flotilla raid. Good move guys, Zero and his frat house obviously weren't going to stand with our ally.

[tomder55]

Yes it was , The resolution from Congress deserves big kudos . It has the teeth the UN resolution doesn't ;and it is veto proof.

But also have to give kudos to the President . This could be classic mixed signals ,but it is positive.

The President and the rest of the G-8 took the time off from dodging anarchist's projectiles in Toronto(imagine if a tea party protest turned violent ) to publish a communiqué in support of Israel ,the revisions Israel made to the blockade ,and Israel's position on negotiations with the Palestinians.

Saturday, June 26, 2010
Text: G8 declaration - Israeli investigation is in line with UNSC - Israel's new Gaza policy can address Gaza's needs

[Dr. Aaron Lerner - IMRA:

Two significant diplomatic achievements for the Netanyahu administration in
this declaration:

#1. "We welcome the decision of the Israeli government to set up an
independent public commission to investigate these events, which includes
international participation, in the expectation that it will bring to light
all the facts surrounding this tragic incident in line with the Statement of
the President of the UN Security Council of June 1." = Israel's
investigation could suffice.

#2. "We welcome the Israeli Cabinet's announcement of a new policy towards
Gaza as a positive development. We urge full and effective implementation of
this policy in order to address the needs of Gaza's population for
humanitarian and commercial goods, civilian reconstruction and
infrastructure, and legitimate economic activity as well as the legitimate
security concerns of Israel that must continue to be safeguarded." = the new
Israeli policy has the potential to meet Gaza's needs.]

G8 Muskoka Declaration Recovery and New Beginnings
Muskoka, Canada, 25-26 June 2010
Muskoka 2010 G-8 | Le Sommet du G-8 de 2010 à Muskoka

1. We, the Leaders of the Group of Eight, met in Muskoka on June 25-26,
2010. Our annual summit takes place as the world begins a fragile recovery
from the greatest economic crisis in generations.

International Peace and Security
...
39. We welcome the start of the proximity talks between the Palestinians and
Israel, and urge them both to create conditions conducive for direct talks,
with the aim of the establishment of an independent, contiguous and viable
State of Palestine, living side by side in peace and security with each
other and their neighbours.

We deeply regret the loss of life and the injuries suffered in the events
off the coast of Gaza on May 31.

We welcome the decision of the Israeli government to set up an independent
public commission to investigate these events, which includes international
participation, in the expectation that it will bring to light all the facts
surrounding this tragic incident in line with the Statement of the President
of the UN Security Council of June 1.

We urge all parties to work together to implement UN Security Council
Resolution 1860 and to ensure the flow of humanitarian and commercial goods
and persons, to and from Gaza.

The current arrangements are not sustainable and must be changed.

We welcome the Israeli Cabinet's announcement of a new policy towards Gaza
as a positive development.

We urge full and effective implementation of this policy in order to address
the needs of Gaza's population for humanitarian and commercial goods,
civilian reconstruction and infrastructure, and legitimate economic activity
as well as the legitimate security concerns of Israel that must continue to
be safeguarded.

We will continue to support the strengthening of Palestinian Authority
institutions and the development of a viable Palestinian economy, and stand
ready to provide further support for the economic, security and political
development of the West Bank and Gaza in the context of a peace agreement
once it is reached.

We also call for progress in Israeli-Syrian and Israeli-Lebanese relations,
reiterating our firm commitment to a comprehensive, just and lasting peace
solution in the Middle East.

We call for the immediate release of the abducted Israeli soldier, Gilad
Shalit.

IMRA - Saturday, June 26, 2010 Text: G8 declaration - Israeli investigation is in line with UNSC - Israel's new Gaza policy can address Gaza's needs


What ? This wasn't in the Sunday Slimes ? I'm shocked !