[Wondergirl]

I’m still irritated about the Catholic jokes. I don’t get it. Who was it that died?

Do you really want an explanation? I'll PM you if you do. Change the Catholic to Lutheran; they're still funny.

[dwashbur]

I’m still irritated about the Catholic jokes. I don’t get it. Who was it that died?

JoeT

They assumed the priest couldn't have been going into the place for the most obvious reason. As WG said, change it from Catholic to whatever you please, it works with any of them. Don't get irritated, it's all in fun. In fact, I usually tell my jokes about Baptists since that's the group I know best.

Another great line I heard a long time ago:

To live above, with those we love, oh, that will be glory.
To live below, with those we know, now that's another story.

[JoeT777]

Do you really want an explanation?

Well, NO!!

[Wondergirl]

Well, NO!!!

Do you get it now? I could make it less of a (staying on-task here) tribulation for you by changing "Catholic" to "Lutheran."

[galveston]

[QUOTE=dwashbur;2312321]

I'm not saying the vision doesn't represent those four. I'm saying it's not spelled out in the text, and is left to the reader to try and sort it out. I didn't say you were wrong, I said you were giving an interpretation that isn't explicitly in the text.

Now, how about this: the stone that destroys the statue and grows to fill the earth is: the church! God's kingdom breaks into human history in the form of Jesus' church which he established by his resurrection when he defeated death and Satan and made membership in his kingdom possible for everyone. If we're going to go by historical sequence, that's the most reasonable explanation for the final portion of the vision.

So do you think that the church will, in the process of time, take over the kingdoms of this world and send them into the dust bin of history, or do you think it will be a cataclysmic event at the return of Christ?

[paraclete]

I’m still irritated about the Catholic jokes. I don’t get it. Who was it that died?

JoeT

Apparently you are not Irish

[arcura]

galveston, Good questions.
Fred

[dwashbur]

[QUOTE=galveston;2313869]

So do you think that the church will, in the process of time, take over the kingdoms of this world and send them into the dust bin of history, or do you think it will be a cataclysmic event at the return of Christ?

Both.

[JoeT777]

apparently you are not Irish

Its hard enough being Italian and then you want wish Irish on me too? Do you know how hard it is to talk the blarney while you're eating spaghetti?

JoeT

[dwashbur]

Its hard enough being Italian and then you want wish Irish on me too? Do you know how hard it is to talk the blarney while you’re eating spaghetti?

JoeT

No, but being part English and German in addition to Irish, I know how hard it is to live up to people's expectations of putting mayonnaise on your bratwurst...

[arcura]

dwashbur,
LOL
Thanks I'll remember that for I am German, Irish, French, and some other mixtures.
A mongrel, that's me.
Peace asnd kindness,
Fred

[galveston]

[QUOTE=dwashbur;2313962]

Both.

Well, the Church has grown and continues to grow, but I doubt you can show from Scripture that it will take over the world and present it to Christ when He returns.

There are some people who believe that. I am not one of them.

[classyT]

[QUOTE=dwashbur;2312321]

I'm not saying the vision doesn't represent those four. I'm saying it's not spelled out in the text, and is left to the reader to try and sort it out. I didn't say you were wrong, I said you were giving an interpretation that isn't explicitly in the text.

Now, how about this: the stone that destroys the statue and grows to fill the earth is: the church! God's kingdom breaks into human history in the form of Jesus' church which he established by his resurrection when he defeated death and Satan and made membership in his kingdom possible for everyone. If we're going to go by historical sequence, that's the most reasonable explanation for the final portion of the vision.

Lets take a look at the scriptures:

Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. Daniel 2:45 KJV

And the NIV : This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands--a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

Now who in the word of God is called a stone?
Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; whoever believes will not act hastily

The Lord Jesus Christ.

Who in the word of God is called a Rock?

Ps. 94:22 But the LORD has become my fortress, and my God the rock in whom I take refuge.

The Lord Jesus Christ

The bible is a self defining book. It is clear the stone or rock not formed by HUMAN hands is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ.

The thought it could be the church very unlikely. Think about it.. the church or the body of Christ can't agree on squat. How are we going to defeat this giant beast that devours and crushes. Sad but true..

[Wondergirl]

The thought it could be the church very unlikely. Think about it..the church or the body of Christ can't agree on squat. How are we gonna defeat this giant beast that devours and crushes. Sad but true..

Just like when Jesus told Peter, "Upon this rock [then pointed at Himself] will I build My Church."

If Jesus had meant Peter, He would have said, "Upon thee will I build My Church."

[JoeT777]

then pointed at Himself

Which verse does it say "then pointed at Himself"? I must've missed that one.

[dwashbur]

[QUOTE=classyT;2315150]

The thought it could be the church very unlikely. Think about it..the church or the body of Christ can't agree on squat. How are we gonna defeat this giant beast that devours and crushes. Sad but true..

Irrelevant. The description fits the church. Look at Jesus' parables of the Kingdom in Matthew 13. One of the things that dispensationalists have never understood is the tension inherent in the "here/not-here," "now/not-yet" nature of the Kingdom. It has broken into human history in the form of the church Jesus founded, and continues to gradually leaven the whole lump. It reaches its culmination in the return of Jesus to complete the job.

[classyT]

Dave,

What you want to debate was my OPINION. And you are welcome to do that because it is only MY thoughts. BUT...

I gave you biblical reasons as to why I believe this stone or rock is the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible is a self defining book. Rock and Stone... is MY savior not the church.

Honestly, it isn't about being a dispensationalist. I'm NOT trying to make my views FIT a pretrib rapture. No scripture is of a private interpretaion, therefore it must be compared with other scripture. Sorry Dave, Jesus IS the ROCK.

[classyT]

Just like when Jesus told Peter, "Upon this rock [then pointed at Himself] will I build My Church."

If Jesus had meant Peter, He would have said, "Upon thee will I build My Church."

Well, I don't know that he pointed to himself.. but I believe he was speaking of himself. So I agree with you... The wise man built his house upon THE ROCK... just one more thing the Lord himself said. :)

[Wondergirl]

Well, I don't know that he pointed to himself..but I believe he was speaking of himself. So I agree with you.......The wise man built his house upon THE ROCK....just one more thing the Lord himself said. :)

It was on Skype. Sorry you missed it.

(Just think -- if only they had had cell phones and computers and Skype back then.)

[JoeT777]

The Bible is a self defining book.

Where is scripture given the authority of self determination? Or self 'defining'? I sure am missing a bunch of verses. 'T' how can a book have authority, what's it going to do to correct you when you're wrong, close on your finger?

JoeT