[Kitkat22]

i don't mean to sound harsh, but who CARES? they did something I'm sure they knew was wrong. they knew exactly who the picture was of. they are obviously intentionally showing others, and revealing her identity. they are active participants in possible destroying this girls life. who CARES if they end up getting in trouble in the process of making sure this girl is ok?

The girl is all that matters. Thirteen is a hard age anyway and now she has to go through all this. I hope the boys do get in trouble. But for the girl the damage is already done.. I agree heath.. It's the girl who matters most!

[Aurora_Bell]

Ya I agree to, with pic's like that circulating, it's going to be hard for her to recover from that, especially as she gets older. Not only in her personal life but it may effect her in getting jons etc...

The person distributing is just as guilty as the other two participants. But the girl really is the victim. She is 13. Something deeper is going on. Something mentally. In my opinion.

[Catsmine]

Let me say this again. All Shaz has to go on is hearsay. 75% of what has been posted is based on speculation about the hearsay. We can help best by waiting until facts are known. Then we can be the world's best international legal research team.

We're with you, Shaz. Eager, even.

[Kitkat22]

Ya i agree to, with pic's like that circulating, it's going to be hard for her to recover from that, especially as she gets older. Not only in her personal life but it may effect her in getting jobs etc...

The person distributing is just as guilty as the other two participants. But the girl really is the victim. She is 13. Something deeper is going on. Something mentally. IMHO.

I agree Bella.. Poor kid !

[shazamataz]

Sorry for the lack of updates, we are trying to find out as much information as possible.
Have talked to the family in question and surprisingly there was no yelling, no hanging up on each other. (they are notorious for that)

It was only a brief conversation but the mother does want to discuss it further, seems the family who live close aren't being as supportive as we would have hoped so she is actually glad someone is taking an interest and wants to hear her side of the story.

The daughter doesn't know we have talked to her mother yet and we are keeping it that way for the moment, might be talking to her tomorrow but we will play it by ear.
I am getting second hand information still as it was V who phoned her.

[Cat1864]

I am glad the mother is open to talking. I hope when it comes to it, the daughter is too.

You're all in my thoughts and prayers.

[Kitkat22]

We are thinking of you Shaz.

[Kitkat22]

We are thinking of you Shaz. You have a heart of gold. Too many people don't want to get involved when they hear of something like this. Thank goodness she has you... :)

[shazamataz]

It's all too easy just to walk away and pretend you never heard about it, especially when they live so far away, but that's not something we wanted to do.

I'm glad we had everyone here to help talk us through it, what we should and shouldn't do, I really do thank you all for that.

[Kitkat22]

It's all too easy just to walk away and pretend you never heard about it, especially when they live so far away, but that's not something we wanted to do.

I'm glad we had everyone here to help talk us through it, what we should and shouldn't do, I really do thank you all for that.

If anyone can do it.. You all can.. :)

[Aurora_Bell]

I'm just glad it's being addressed. I know I didn't really put much of an in put in, but it is really refreshing to hear that you are willing to help someone with this type of troubles.

I really do feel for the 13 year old here.

[Kitkat22]

I'm just glad it's being adressed. I know I didn't really put much of an in put in, but it is really refreshing to hear that you are willing to help someone with this type of troubles.

I really do feel for the 13 year old here.

True.. Bella!

[tickle]

Sometimes we really don't know what to say until we start typing. Then it all comes out. Bella, I know what you mean.

Off topic but wanted you to know there is a purebred rescued Collie at our animal shelter, two years old, needs a good home. She doesn't look to good right now though (I don't care), she was so flea ridden they had to shave her down. You can imagine how funny she looks !I am going to see her tomorrow with my son. Apparently she is a treasure and I also hope she isn't gone cause I can't get there until tomorrow.

Another topic, Bella, I hear they are doing laser spaying now which is great, less invasive. Of course adopting means you pay for and adopt an animal, show if she isn't spayed, she will be.

Hugs

[jmjoseph]

no!

"No" to what? No to reporting this? "No" to Shaz being kind hearted and helping this child? Or "no" to it being a horrible mess? Whatever you are saying "no" to, you need to explain yourself a little better. Or not get involved. I think you are a child yourself so... behave.

Shaz, You are privy to child pornography and abuse. It's not a matter of IF you should get involved somehow, it's HOW and WHEN. I'm sorry that this has fallen into your lap, but you know that the welfare of this child is paramount. Now, how do you deal with it? What exactly does the mother know? And how much is she willing to share with the authorities concerning her ex-husband's neglect and contribution to the corruption of a minor, his daughter? His interaction with this child should stop, now. And as far as the 18 year old, he should be investigated.

God bless you all.

[Catsmine]

Shaz, You are privy to child pornography and abuse. It's not a matter of IF you should get involved somehow, it's HOW and WHEN. I'm sorry that this has fallen into your lap, but you know that the welfare of this child is paramount. Now, how do you deal with it? What exactly does the mother know? And how much is she willing to share with the authorities concerning her ex-husband's neglect and contribution to the corruption of a minor, his daughter? His interaction with this child should stop, now. And as far as the 18 year old, he should be investigated.

God bless you all.

All we've got to go on here is third hand, Mike. A question that wasn't asked is how sure is the brother of the pictured girl's identity. This is why I keep cautioning Shaz and V to not make assumptions. The entire family could possibly be duped by teenage drama, or we could be facing incestuous rape. We don't know. Shaz, you've got my e-mail if you or V or the child needs somebody to address a rant to in private. It will stay private.

[Alty]

I haven't read all the posts so if I missed something, sorry. Please don't shoot me. ;)

Shazzy, speaking from experience, I really wish someone had questioned my behavior, had seen it for what it was, talked to me, gotten involved.

My parents didn't know what I was doing, I was very good at hiding things. Other family members did know and they did nothing. They swept it under the rug and just hoped I'd get over it, get used to it, grow up and stop what I was doing.

I was molested as a child and raped as a teen. Because of that I slept with anything that moved and had a penis. I didn't give a damn about myself. It sounds to me like that's what you're dealing with.

Crying rape, even if there was no rape, is a call for attention, but it's not always because the girl is just needy. I would bet that there's something going on here and no one has bothered to get to the truth of the matter. This girl is screaming for help, you see it, that's why you're asking this question.

If you do get involved this will be the hardest thing you've ever done. It will drain you physically and mentally and it may well end badly where her parents are concerned. The fact is, nothing worthwhile is easy.

You have it in your power to help this girl. I would be there by your side if I could. I can't, but I'm here if you have any questions, need any advice, or just need a shoulder. Sadly I've been this girl, and I lived to tell about it. Let's make sure she does too.

That's my advice. :)

[Alty]

All we've got to go on here is third hand, Mike. A question that wasn't asked is how sure is the brother of the pictured girl's identity. This is why I keep cautioning Shaz and V to not make assumptions. The entire family could possibly be duped by teenage drama, or we could be facing incestuous rape. We don't know. Shaz, you've got my e-mail if you or V or the child needs somebody to address a rant to in private. It will stay private.

True, but I have to add, where there's smoke, there's usually fire. Something is going on, it's just that nobody knows for sure what it is.

I did see that many people told Shazzy not to get involved. I understand why, I really do, but I can't agree with it. Why you may ask? Because I was that child. No one bothered to step up, to butt in, to ask question, to offer help. They all figured it wasn't any of their business. Truth told, I probably would have told them all off anyway, but now, at 39, I can't help but wonder what my life would be like now if someone had just cared enough to get involved, to find out what was going on with me.

I'm not the kind of person that sees someone getting robbed and just walks away because it's "none of my business". I'm the person that steps up, even knowing that I may get hurt, because I know I have to do it.

No, it's not really Shazzy's business. Yes, getting involved will make things hard. But, is it the right thing to do? Isn't every person we encounter important, worthy of our help?

Sorry to disagree here, I just see so much of me in this girl. No, I never cried rape, even though I was raped. But I did give off many signs that something was wrong. No one stepped in. No one intervened. I got lucky, I found it in myself to heal, to move on. Most people aren't as lucky.

[jmjoseph]

All we've got to go on here is third hand, Mike. A question that wasn't asked is how sure is the brother of the pictured girl's identity. This is why I keep cautioning Shaz and V to not make assumptions. The entire family could possibly be duped by teenage drama, or we could be facing incestuous rape. We don't know. Shaz, you've got my e-mail if you or V or the child needs somebody to address a rant to in private. It will stay private.

Even third hand is worth looking into is it not, Andy?

If this child is drinking and smoking, the father is not very involved in her life.

A sibling confided in Shaz, and it should be investigated at the least. That's all I was suggesting. Not a raid.

Shaz knows this family well enough as to be here asking for assistance. And she knows that the father is not known to be responsible.

Maybe it is just attention seeking. Maybe it's being read all wrong. I hope it is. But what if it isn't? This is a child. And she is "dating" an 18 year old.

Tough call. I'm not envious.

[JoeCanada76]

Well I am just glad the mother is open to conversation. She needs support too in all of this and how to protect her daughter. .

I am so happy that Alty posted here as well. Gives a lot more insight to what could be going on here.

Abuse, especially at a younger age does so much harm. Like Alty said too is that children or teens can be very good at hiding it too, but the actions of that being abused can change so drastically and many parents have no clue what is going on.

[Alty]

One thing I want to point out is this. Yes, I hid it, but not overly. I wanted to be caught on some level. I wanted someone to say "hey, why are you doing this?" I wanted to talk about it, but I had to be asked to open up, I couldn't do it on my own. No one ever called me on my actions, not one person. Like I said, I got lucky, I found a great guy and he was the reason that I learned to love myself as much as he loved me. It's so hard to explain.

It's not an easy situation, for anyone, least of all the child. It's so hard to say "I was molested, I was raped". My parents went to their graves never knowing, I kept it to myself and the people that knew did so as well.

I wish I could express myself better, express exactly how it feels, but it's not easy. Maybe it's for the best. I wouldn't wish my experiences on anyone.