[Catsmine]

I can assure you that my conversations aren't being monitored. I do not call AQ HQ coordinating and financing attacks on the country like al-Haramain did .

Rumor has it there's a cute little trojan on all the "us.gov" sites that sets up monitoring your internet connections. Have you got really good Malware protection?

[NeedKarma]

Rumor has it there's a cute little trojan on all the "us.gov" sites that sets up monitoring your internet connections. Have you got really good Malware protection?

Are you serious??

[cdad]

Rumor has it there's a cute little trojan on all the "us.gov" sites that sets up monitoring your internet connections. Have you got really good Malware protection?

The rumor exsists because of the way the law reads. The federal government is forbbidin by law to record your IP address without your knowlage.

Its not true at all. It's a hoax.

[excon]

I can assure you that my conversations aren't being monitored.

Hello tom:

Uhhh, no you can't! Because if they can illegally snoop on SOME people, they can snoop illegally on YOU.

The only way to KNOW you're not being spied upon, is if you made sure your government does NOT spy on anybody. But, you're fine with them snooping on some people and you only TRUST that they're not snooping on you...

Me? I don't trust 'em.

excon

[excon]

Hello again, wingers:

I'm confused. I thought you guys were the ones who're interested in RESTORING the Constitution... I hear that squawk all the time from the tea partiers.. I've even heard the words that smoothy recited about the Constitution NOT being a guideline.

I agree.

Then, in the next breath, as an excuse for violating that very document, you say, well other presidents did it, so it's OK... Therein lies the basis for my confusion. What happened to your "it's not a guideline" schtick?? In fact, not only doesn't it bother you that the Constitution is flouted, you support it 1000%. Then, you have the temerity to talk about restoring the Constitution... I'm blown away..

Now, I'll admit that I don't know if any other president, beside Nixon, illegally spied on us or not, so I'm not going to argue that. It's a red herring anyway. What I DO know is for more than 20 years, it was settled law, born of bitter experience, that the government may not eavesdrop on people in the United States without a warrant.

Until, that is, after the 9/11 attacks, when President George W. Bush ordered the National Security Agency to ignore the law.

Fortunately, a judge of the Federal District Court in San Francisco, ruled last week that the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was the law of the land, and that when Bush failed to get a warrant to wiretap, he broke the law. It's a FELONY.

There are fewer threats to liberty, as the Supreme Court said more than 40 years ago, “greater than that posed by the use of eavesdropping devices.” Being liberty loving patriots, I don't understand why you don't understand that.

excon

[Wondergirl]

I can assure you that my conversations aren't being monitored.

Try this. Let me know when you and a friend carry on phony phone conversations about a terrorist activity you two are cooking up, say, to blow up some government building in your area. I'll watch the news.

[excon]

I'll watch the news.

Happy Easter, Carol:

;)

excon

[Wondergirl]

Happy Easter, Carol:

;)

excon

Happy Easter to you too, my dear friend. Did you hide all the eggs real good this time? ;)

[tomder55]

There is no logical reason for the government to be listening in to my conversations. In the al -haramain case they were a known funder of AQ and had funded and supported previous attacks on the country .They have since been disbanned by UN sanction . Let's keep this in the real world.
There is absolutely no reason why I would either plot an attack for real or make a punk call faking it.

But if someone is plotting to commit an attack or other act of war on the country I will not lose any sleep at all that the NSA was listening in.

[Wondergirl]

There is absolutely no reason why I would either plot an attack for real or make a punk call faking it.

That's why they haven't picked up keywords in your conversations and arrested you. But they're out there and listening.

[cdad]

That's why they haven't picked up keywords in your conversations and arrested you. But they're out there and listening.

Here are a few links on the matter.

Ref:

Electronic Surveillance

NSA warrantless surveillance controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electronic Surveillance Laws

[tomder55]

Any other hobgoblins I should be concerned about ? If they are listening in on me they are bored out of their minds. Oh the outrage!

To Ex's point ;the decision by this San Fran judge will be reversed if the Obama Justice Dept is so inclined to challenge it. The judges whole decision was based on a technicallity because both the Obama and Bush Justice Dept deemed the secrets that could've been revealed were worth protecting .

This is a position that Obama took as Senator also :
"

I think it is appropriate to say that there are going to be cases in which national security interests are genuinely at stake, and that you can't litigate without revealing covert activities or classified information that would genuinely compromise our safety. But searching for ways to redact, to carve out certain cases, to see what can be done so that a judge in chambers can review information without it being in open court-you know, there should be some additional tools so that it's not such a blunt instrument."

This is also the reason why Obama will probably not appeal. He gets to keep the Bush program (Congress amended the law to get rid of any ambiguity about the President's inherent right to spy on the enemy. )while at the same time have the Obots howling at the moon about the "criminal "activities of his predecessor..

[Wondergirl]

any other hobgoblins I should be concerned about ? if they are listening in on me they are bored out of their minds. oh the outrage !!

So nothing will happen to me if my brother and I have phone conversations about bringing down the Sears Tower (ooops, Wilis Tower) in Chicago?

[tomder55]

There must be a sale on tinfoil hats this week.
Why would you have that conversation ? Are you and your brother employed by some front organization for jihadistan ?

If for some reason they are wasting their time monitoring your phone calls with your brother ,and the topic came up ,they know Shiite from shinola .

[smoothy]

Most of the people with their panties in a knot about evesdropping on terrorists are people that were nowhere neer targets on 911.

You won't convince many that work in Manhattan, much less anyone who ever worked in the Twin Towers... and you won't convince anyone who knew people that died... or people that were almost victims themselves.

I fall in that last category. I am still breathing today because I was cranky, hungry and tired that morning.

I don't give a damn if terrorists or anyone they talk to are eavesdropped on... unlike most of the paranoid crowd... I actually know how this is done.

Since I'm not a militia member planning sopmething illegal, because I'm not one of them, I don't have to worry about being overheard replenishing my stash from the local drug dealer because I don't use anything illegal...

And most of the people who are saying things to others that will get them into trouble... also seem to be the same bunch that want to hand of Everyone's medical records to politicians to have them decide who gets a treatment, IF they get it and when they get it... yet doesn't trust them to overhear the very same conversations they have every day IN PUBLIC on their cell phones with dozens around them listening.

And yeah... quite often I can hear BOTH SIDES of those cell phone conversations.

[Wondergirl]

not planning something illegal...don't use anything illegal...conversations they have every day IN PUBLIC on their cell phones with dozens around them listening.

I don't plan illegal stuff either and use my cell phone only at home or in my STOPPED car, and never in public. And the government and my insurance company already have all my personal information.

[smoothy]

I don't plan illegal stuff either and use my cell phone only at home or in my STOPPED car, and never in public. And the government and my insurance company already have all my personal information.

You are in the minority... I see people every day walking out into TAFFIC yapping on their cell phones oblivious to the fact there is a DO NOT WALK sign lit. And yeah... I actually see that at least once a day. Or pass someone yaping about something obviously highly personal on the sidewalk.

I've actually heard both men and women talking with their lovers ABOUT their spouses... and once even heard them talk about possible pregnacies with their lovers... yeah, its been both men and women and more than twice over the last few years...

Do these people not know others can hear them ON THE SIDEWALK...

Hell once I heard someone giving their credit card info, address, full name, etc... on their cell, at lunchtime walking on the sidewalk with dozens near them.

[excon]

I don't give a damn if terrorists or anyone they talk to are eavesdropped on...

Hello again, smoothy:

So, all your talk about restoring the Constitution, and about it NOT being a guideline, was just so much BUNK.

Let me be clear, if I wasn't already. The tea partiers, the birthers, YOU and/or whatever right wing wacko group you're fronting for, ARE ALL FULL OF CRAP! YOU KNOW NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT GLENN BECK OR THE LIMP ONE TELL YOU.

Restoring the Constitution, hell. You have NO idea what it's about.

excon

[smoothy]

Hello again, smoothy:

So, all your talk about restoring the Constitution, and about it NOT being a guideline, was just so much BUNK.

Let me be clear, if I wasn't already. The tea partiers, the birthers, YOU and/or whatever right wing wacko group you're fronting for, ARE ALL FULL OF CRAP! YOU KNOW NOTHING OTHER THAN WHAT GLENN BECK OR THE LIMP ONE TELL YOU.

Restoring the Constitution, hell. You have NO idea what it's about.

excon

Right... we all know God gave you the gift of knowing everything and being perfect in all possible ways.

YOU are the one who doesn't have a clue...


And while we all know YOU have a Obama Poster you worship every night... MOST of the American Public is on to his scam.


And we also know that the Constitution was written in plain english... by Men who were very smart.

Not by today's democrats who twist every word to mean its opposite.


Why don't you grow up already...

You are seriously delusional iif you believe even 10% of what Obama says or 95% of what the DNC says... or anything at all Nancy Pelosi says. You obviously believe 100% of what they say... otherwise why do you get your panties in such a knot when those of us know better won't.

And incidentally... I've spent most of my life the last 25 years in and around communications offices of government offices, military instalations and Embassies (of over 40 countries) in two countries on two continents.


Not in PODUNK IOWA listening to CNN to get my information of there outside world.

[Wondergirl]

Do these people not know others can hear them ON THE SIDEWALK....

And these people have given their young children cell phones "for emergencies." Sexting has become a huge problem among teens and even preteens. Where or where is this country going, smoothy? (At least we agree on ONE thing!)