[Maggie 3]

Amen galveston, It is the greatest thing that has ever happen to me,
Being in the spirit of the Lord.
Neselkarma, get an easy reading bible
And take a look at what you are missing.
"Call on Me, and I'll show you things
you never would have imagined"
Says the Lord, Jer.33:3

Maggie 3

[jakester]

If I were the moderator, I'd shut this thread down.

Galveston, I don't mean any disrespect but it seems from the onset that you've had an axe to grind with somebody... or at least you seem generally miffed.

I suppose that I'm bothering to say something here because I can already see that this post is going absolutely nowhere and you clearly have a strong opinion about this subject already so it's clear that you won't be moved. But where is your humility, man? Take a step back for a minute and evaluate what your real motivation was for posting this because it just doesn't seem genuine.

Respectfully.

[galveston]

Alright, I'm up for it - explain then both to me.

I will make the attempt. Will you attempt to understand?

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(KJV)

The Spirit of truth is the Holy Ghost (or Spirit, the same meaning) He came to the Church as recorded in Acts 2:4, and He shows us what truth is. He teaches us what Christ brought to us.

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(KJV)

"Carnal" simply means "natural". The mind we were born with. If we only accept what our physical senses tell us, we will never make the connection with God. Since there is no connection, it can't help but be a law-breaker. That is why the "new birth" is necessary.

[galveston]

If I were the moderator, I'd shut this thread down.

Galveston, I don't mean any disrespect but it seems from the onset that you've had an axe to grind with somebody...or at least you seem generally miffed.

I suppose that I'm bothering to say something here because I can already see that this post is going absolutely nowhere and you clearly have a strong opinion about this subject already so it's clear that you won't be moved. But where is your humility, man? Take a step back for a minute and evaluate what your real motivation was for posting this because it just doesn't seem genuine.

Respectfully.

Jake, I apologize if I have given you this impression.

My reason for posting the question in the first place is to try to make more people aware of the blessings that come with the Baptism in/of the Holy Spirit. Blessings that are just not available without this experience.

So many Christians live really inconsistent lives. They are ineffective witnesses, they are too often defeated, they do not realize who they are in Christ, or what their purpose is in relation to Christ.

The Holy Spirit gives power to LIVE as God wants us to.

I have no axe to grind, but I'm not PC either.

[Wondergirl]

They are ineffective witnesses

So how do you witness now to be effective? If you are friends with an agnostic person, what would you say and do?

[Wondergirl]

But where is your humility, man?

Egocentric is what I am reading. Hmmmm...

[NeedKarma]

I will make the attempt. Will you attempt to understand?

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(KJV)

The Spirit of truth is the Holy Ghost (or Spirit, the same meaning) He came to the Church as recorded in Acts 2:4, and He shows us what truth is. He teaches us what Christ brought to us.

How can that be since this "spirit" does not speak of himself (what does that mean?) but whatsoever he hears he speaks - that doesn't make any sense at all. I assume "shew" is supposed to be "show"? Then that is saying that the person has the power to see the future - this I do not believe since there is no one person that has ever done that.

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(KJV)

"Carnal" simply means "natural". The mind we were born with. If we only accept what our physical senses tell us, we will never make the connection with God. Since there is no connection, it can't help but be a law-breaker. That is why the "new birth" is necessary.

Well that's not what the normal usage of carnal is (hint: relating to or given to crude bodily pleasures and appetites; marked by sexuality; bodily, corporeal; temporal; worldly). So the mind we were born with is an enemy to god? How does that make sense? Why would a god do that? I have no connection to your god and yet I don't break the law.

[galveston]

Egocentric is what I am reading. Hmmmm....

So now I get a free phycoanalisis? Do I have to come to your office, or can you do it online?:D

[galveston]

So how do you witness now to be effective? If you are friends with an agnostic person, what would you say and do?

Pretty much what I have been doing all along; share the Truth. Jesus is Truth personified.

If that agnostic were in close enough proximity, I would introduce him/her to people who have been filled with the Holy Ghost and/or have been healed by the power of God through the Name of Jesus Christ.

Remember Paul's words to the Corinthians:

1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
(KJV)

He wasn't relying on his intellect or some ritual.

[Wondergirl]

Pretty much what I have been doing all along; share the Truth. Jesus is Truth personified.

How would you start? How would you present it?

What if the person is a stranger?

[galveston]

I will make the attempt. Will you attempt to understand?

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(KJV)

The Spirit of truth is the Holy Ghost (or Spirit, the same meaning) He came to the Church as recorded in Acts 2:4, and He shows us what truth is. He teaches us what Christ brought to us.

How can that be since this "spirit" does not speak of himself (what does that mean?) but whatsoever he hears he speaks - that doesn't make any sense at all. I assume "shew" is supposed to be "show"? Then that is saying that the person has the power to see the future - this I do not believe since there is no one person that has ever done that.

The Holy Spirit promotes Christ, not Himself.

(You know, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost) Whatever the Father wants to say, He does it through the Holy Ghost.

You apparently have never done any research into prophecy and its fulfillment, otherwise you would know that the Holy Spirit DOES know the future and at times has revealed it to man.

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(KJV)

"Carnal" simply means "natural". The mind we were born with. If we only accept what our physical senses tell us, we will never make the connection with God. Since there is no connection, it can't help but be a law-breaker. That is why the "new birth" is necessary.

Well that's not what the normal usage of carnal is (hint: relating to or given to crude bodily pleasures and appetites; marked by sexuality; bodily, corporeal; temporal; worldly). So the mind we were born with is an enemy to god? How does that make sense? Why would a god do that? I have no connection to your god and yet I don't break the law.

The New Testament was written in Greek, and to get the meaning of a word you need to use a Greek/English dictionary, but one that goes back to the era in which the verse was written. The meaning may not always be the same as it is in current usage. However, even in the sense that you use it, the meaning is still "fleshly".

God did not create man in a fallen or sinful state. That was man's decision, and we have been living with it ever since.

You may not break the moral law, but if you do not love God, you have broken the whole law, because that is the first commandment given to Israel, and restated by Jesus.

Matt 22:38-40
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
(KJV)

[classyT]

I did receive the Holy spirit and I base this on :

"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13)


I was SEALED the instant I believed. Clear as crystal.

[Wondergirl]

I was SEALED the instant I believed.

What does this mean?

[galveston]

I did recieve the Holy spirit and I base this on :

"In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:13)


I was SEALED the instant I believed. Clear as crystal.

True, Classy, and I don't doubt it for a moment.

But being sealed is not the same thing as being baptized. There is more for you if you want it.

[classyT]

Gal,

I Have it all!! I can speak in tongues too but sometimes I do question if it just me... does that make sense?

Wondergirl,

It means when I believed what Christ did for me at the Christ... HE sealed me with the HOLY SPIRIT. The apostle Paul said it... not me.

[Wondergirl]

wondergirl,

It means when I believed what Christ did for me at the Christ

What did Christ do at the Christ?

[classyT]

WG,

Typo... it means I believe what Christ did for me at the CROSS... sorry...

[Wondergirl]

WG,

Typo....it means i believe what Christ did for me at the CROSS....sorry .....

That's true of all believers. But sealed into what?

[classyT]

Sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise the second that I believed according to the Bible.

[450donn]

Sealed,sanctified,saved. Pick the word that fits best.