[galveston]

Acts 19:1-2
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
(KJV)

They are called "disciples" so they knew about Jesus, but apparently had little information beyond that.

Paul allows that they were believers as he uses the term "since ye believed".

He then asks if they had received the Holy Ghost, showing that he believed that receiving the Holy Ghost was the norm for believers.

In this country today, none of the denominations that I know of teach their people that they need to be baptised in/with the Holy Ghost other than the pentecostal groups, and the percentage of their people who receive the Holy Ghost is pitifully low.

So, have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?

Why not?

Do you even believe that such a thing is possible?

[paraclete]

Acts 19:1-2
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
(KJV)

They are called "disciples" so they knew about Jesus, but apparently had little information beyond that.

Paul allows that they were believers as he uses the term "since ye believed".

He then asks if they had received the Holy Ghost, showing that he believed that receiving the Holy Ghost was the norm for believers.

In this country today, none of the denominations that I know of teach their people that they need to be baptised in/with the Holy Ghost other than the pentecostal groups, and the percentage of their people who receive the Holy Ghost is pitifully low.

So, have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?

Why not?

Do you even believe that such a thing is possible?

Yes I have received but I was not told such things were possible when I was young and educated by a traditional church. Traditional denominations don't speak of such things but once you have received there is no going back, you have truly become renewed

[jakester]

galveston - it's an interesting question... I guess my question to you is how do you know objectively that you have received the Holy Spirit? I mean, I could tell you that I have and you could tell me that you have... but how would we definitively know if we did?

I'm asking a serious question, not in jest.

Thanks.

[NeedKarma]

galveston - it's an interesting question...I guess my question to you is how do you know objectively that you have received the Holy Spirit? I mean, I could tell you that I have and you could tell me that you have...but how would we definitively know if we did?

I'm asking a serious question, not in jest.

thanks.

Yea, I'd like to know this as well.

[Fr_Chuck]

To be frank and honest, I don't believe anyone that does has any doubt, it is not something you can show a tag to someone else, but the felling is so overpowing I dobut it would be missed

[NeedKarma]

For example?

[paraclete]

galveston - it's an interesting question...I guess my question to you is how do you know objectively that you have received the Holy Spirit? I mean, I could tell you that I have and you could tell me that you have...but how would we definitively know if we did?

I'm asking a serious question, not in jest.

thanks.

Since this is a serious question the serious answer is the Gifts of the Spirit becoming manifest in your life. Speaking in tongues is usually the initial evidence but the ability to prophecy, to heal, to perform acts of faith, all these and more are explained in Scripture. For me it started with tongues totally unexpectedly but moved on to faith and healing, but your whole view changes you understand the Scriptures better. I would not lie about such matters and I don't expect you would either, however we are told to test every spirit so you will be brought undone if you lie, I have written a book about my experiences in revival and as a spirit filled Christian. I would have had no motivation to do this if it were not so.

[firmbeliever]

Does it mean that each believer who have received the "Spirit" will speak in tongues,heal and have ability to prophecy?

If a believer does not show these special abilities, does this mean that person is not a true believer?



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[galveston]

If a believer does not show these special abilities, does this mean that person is not a true believer?
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The answer to the above question is no.

There are at least two different “baptisms” referred to in relation to the Holy Ghost (or Spirit)

1 Cor 12:13
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(KJV)

Rom 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
(KJV)

So from these we see that the repentant sinner is the candidate, the body of Christ is the medium, and the Holy Spirit is the one doing the baptizing.

But here is something else:

Matt 3:11
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
(KJV)

In this instance, the saved believer is the candidate, the Holy Ghost is the medium, and Jesus Christ does the baptizing.

In the Book of Acts, the effect of this baptism was immediate and observable. They spoke in languages they had never learned, just as the 120 did on the day of Pentecost. (The fire seen in Acts 2:3 is not mentioned as being repeated)

The gifts of the Holy Spirit listed in 1 Corinthians, vs 8-10 are not the baptism of the Holy Ghost, but are made available to the believer because he has been baptized in/with the Holy Ghost.

Clete gave a good practical explanation of this.

[NeedKarma]

So it follows that very few people in the world have "received".

[jakester]

So it follows that very few people in the world have "received".

What sucks about the whole deal is that I believe in Christ and follow his teachings and I haven't spoken in tongues, prophesied, healed, or performed acts of faith.

I'm definitely screwed, I think, because even though I sincerely believe Jesus is the Christ, the Scriptures are the word of God, and that eternal life can only come as a gift from God, none of those things have ever happened in my life.

I just submitted my resignation for membership from my church because I don't want to be a phony anymore.

[galveston]

What sucks about the whole deal is that I believe in Christ and follow his teachings and I haven't spoken in tongues, prophesied, healed, or performed acts of faith.

I'm definitely screwed, I think, because even though I sincerely believe Jesus is the Christ, the Scriptures are the word of God, and that eternal life can only come as a gift from God, none of those things have ever happened in my life.

I just submitted my resignation for membership from my church because I don't want to be a phony anymore.

Well, depending on what you are a member of, I hope you are only jesting.

What I am showing is not denominational teaching, it is Biblical teaching. Every born-again Christian is a candidate for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, which opens the doors to a greatly enlarged Christian experience.

You only have to believe it is available to YOU, and ask seriously and persistently. (It helps to be in the company of others who also believe that it is available):)

[paraclete]

Does it mean that each believer who have received the "Spirit" will speak in tongues,heal and have ability to prophecy?

If a believer does not show these special abilities, does this mean that person is not a true believer?



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I understand you are not a Christian so the simple explanation is that there appears to be three stages which could be described as born again(baptised in water), baptised in the Spirit, and baptised with fire. These stages are mentioned in Matthew 3.11 "I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire".


So when a person truly believes they become born again. When they earnestly seek the gifts of the Spirit and a deeper relationship with God they become baptised in the Spirit and when they further press in they become baptised with fire.

[paraclete]

What sucks about the whole deal is that I believe in Christ and follow his teachings and I haven't spoken in tongues, prophesied, healed, or performed acts of faith.

I'm definitely screwed, I think, because even though I sincerely believe Jesus is the Christ, the Scriptures are the word of God, and that eternal life can only come as a gift from God, none of those things have ever happened in my life.

I just submitted my resignation for membership from my church because I don't want to be a phony anymore.

Jake this isn't automatic it is about expectation and pressing into God, wanting a deeper relationship with Jesus and being involved. He is the rewarder of those who earnestly seek him. Now if you haven't been taugh these things then you might feel a little cheated, but forgive, because if you carry resentment it can't happen for you, then start to study the Scriptures and spend time in prayer. Remember this isn't about you, but about spreading the Gospel and coming to maturity as a Christian.

I know that for a while after I first spoke in tongues I would think "how does this work" but it becomes second nature when you exercise the gift and then the other things are added as the opportunity presents itself and you step out and pray for others

[paraclete]

So it follows that very few people in the world have "received".

We don't know how many people have received, we know that some historical Christian figures like Wesley and Booth were baptised in the Spirit and of course the evangelists of the twentieth century. I have met people in many denominations including Catholic and Anglican persuasions as well as Pentecostal who are baptised in the Spirit so we know that there are a large number of charismatics but what percentage of Christians we do not know. These Giftings don't appear to manifest among non-believers so you are correct in assuming there are not "large" numbers in the world. This does not invalidate the experience since there are not large numbers of rich people either. What we do know is the number is growing just as the numbers of Christians are growing.

[Maggie 3]

galveston, I received the filling of the Holy Spirit in 1982. We were and
Still attend a nondenonmination church. My husband and I was taught
About tongues by members of the church, they did not use tongues
In the Sunday church services. At that time we knew very little about
Tongues and it could have frighten us if it was in the church service.
Paul wrote in 1Cor.14:40 "Let all things be done decently and in order".
We were hungering and thirsting for the Lord and His teaching and
That is what we got. We grow spiritually and came to the time of understanding when we learned about tongues. The direction of tongues
Is to God. [1Cor.14:2] The purpose of tongues is to strengthen the inner man. [1Cor.14:4.] The effect of tongues is to build our faith [Jude 29]. Praying in the Spirit is an invaluable weapon in the spirtual arsenal
God has given us. I pray in the Spirit for faith and to be edified.
It is a tool available for me and you. I have grown in wisdom, knowledge,
And understanding in God's Word. Tongues has been a blessing
To me. I believe tongues is a great help in living in the Spirit.
Gifts are given by the Spirit, we are energized, and have the gifts of
Miracles, the gift of healing and more. I love the Lord and my main
Reason for living is to serve Him.
This is nothing to be a shamed of or embarrassed about. It is all biblical,
You better believe it.

Love and Blessings, Maggie 3

[galveston]

Maggie,

I'm sure you know by now that the Holy Spirit baptism is far more that the ability to speak with tongues, as you said as much in your post.

I receive that experience in 1953.

Here's a Scripture for our other readers:

John 16:13-14
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
(KJV)

Maranatha

[NeedKarma]

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Is that even English? It really does not make any sense.

[galveston]

Is that even English? It really does not make any sense.

It makes perfect sense to me.

Here's another one you won't understand either:

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(KJV)

[NeedKarma]

It makes perfect sense to me.

Here's another one you won't understand either:

Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
(KJV)

All right, I'm up for it - explain then both to me.