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albear · Jan 28, 2010, 04:58 PM

Tokyo hotel right?

Catsmine · Jan 28, 2010, 05:00 PM

Does it make me old that I think he looks like my favorite Karma Chameleon - Boy George?

friend4u178 · Jan 28, 2010, 05:03 PM

Well I can tell you for a fact , if he walked down the streets where I live , and I live in a respectable neighbourhood , he wouldn't look like that for long :cool:

EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 05:08 PM

My neighborhood it'd be fine loly

mygirlsdad77 · Jan 28, 2010, 05:10 PM

I don't know any pretty guys. And personally, I don't want to. Women are pretty, guys are handsome, and guys that look like girls on purpose are somewhat unsettling. Im betting if he lost the hairdo, and the makeup, he would be quite handy with the ladys.

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 05:23 PM

Look like attractive androgens to me. Then again, I think society places FAR too much emphasis in binary gender, and gender in general.

EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by mygirlsdad77

I dont know any pretty guys. And personally, i dont want to. Women are pretty, guys are handsome, and guys that look like girls on purpose are somewhat unsettling. Im betting if he lost the hairdo, and the makeup, he would be quite handy with the ladys.

I have a very open mind. If he wants to look like that, more power to him. I think he looks very good like that. I wish I was that pretty. I'm all for free expression as long as it isn't hurting someone. Through makeup, clothes, body mods, words, the arts, etc.

EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 05:27 PM

"twinkiedooter disagrees: Maybe in England but not here in the USA would he get away with looking like that."

I live in the USA. I'm saying in my particular neighborhood it would be fine

twinkiedooter · Jan 28, 2010, 05:30 PM

Basically the Goth Rock look or bizarre eye makeup is a thing of the 1980's and is definitely in the past. The look is probably very popular over in Germany as a lot of young adults missed the 1980's over there and are now catching up. And this is definitely a gay look with all the chains, etc. as well as the dude looks like a lady.

What part of I'm not fooled by he's "straight" don't you understand? No real man wants to look like a woman unless he has a head full of bad wiring which this person obviously does. He needs therapy and lots of it if indeed he is "straight". (Which I seriously doubt that he is).

albear · Jan 28, 2010, 05:31 PM

twinkiedooter disagrees: Maybe in England but not here in the USA would he get away with looking like that.

What are you on about twink :D

Who mentioned England?

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 05:36 PM

Twinkie, androgens live all over america. There are entire neighborhoods, and even cities, that are very accepting of them. The lgbt community and neighborhoods often take them in and give them a place to feel like they belong and are safe.

I have known several androgens who felt safe and comfortable walking down streets in america. I find it sad that people think they should change just to conform with society's preconceptions of gender identity. It's because of those kids of people that sometimes it ISN'T safe for androgens to walk down the street.

In case some of you are unfamiliar with the word: an androgen is someone who acts and/or dresses in an androgynous way. More simply put, someone who makes you think twice about rather or not they are a guy or girl.

There is a very distinct difference between sex and gender. Sex is the physical identification of the body; male or female. Gender is the mental identification with one of society's recognized genders; boy or girl, or even choosing to identify with no recognized gender.

While this person may be male, there is guarantee that 'he' identifies as a boy.

albear · Jan 28, 2010, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Basically the Goth Rock look or bizarre eye makeup is a thing of the 1980's and is definitely in the past. The look is probably very popular over in Germany as a lot of young adults missed the 1980's over there and are now catching up. And this is definitely a gay look with all the chains, etc. as well as the dude looks like a lady.

What part of I'm not fooled by he's "straight" don't you understand? No real man wants to look like a woman unless he has a head full of bad wiring which this person obviously does. He needs therapy and lots of it if indeed he is "straight". (Which I seriously doubt that he is).

In the past? Since when? Its still quite alive I thank you

Being a bit predudice aren't we?

EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by hheath541

twinkie, androgens live all over america. there are entire neighborhoods, and even cities, that are very accepting of them. the lgbt community and neighborhoods often take them in and give them a place to feel like they belong and are safe.

i have known several androgens who felt safe and comfortable walking down streets in america. i find it sad that people think they should change just to conform with society's preconceptions of gender identity. it's because of those kids of people that sometimes it ISN'T safe for androgens to walk down the street.

in case some of you are unfamiliar with the word: an androgen is someone who acts and/or dresses in an androgynous way. more simply put, someone who makes you think twice about rather or not they are a guy or girl.

there is a very distinct difference between sex and gender. sex is the physical identification of the body; male or female. gender is the mental identification with one of society's recognized genders; boy or girl, or even choosing to identify with no recognized gender.

while this person may be male, there is guarantee that 'he' identifies as a boy.

I whole heartedly agree with you and wish more people knew their facts as well

ohsohappy · Jan 28, 2010, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Altenweg

Also, Ohso, I did some research, he was born in 1989, so no, he's not 15. :)

Okay so he's 20, he still looks like he's 15. LOL

albear · Jan 28, 2010, 05:56 PM

Years back when I was studying german, my german teacher used to like the band this guy is in, he once showed us a video of a live concert they did, while they were on tour... while his voice was breaking (hes the lead singer). Was quite funny :D

ohsohappy · Jan 28, 2010, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by albear

years back when i was studying german, my german teacher used to like the band this guy is in, he once showed us a video of a live concert they did, while they were on tour......while his voice was breaking (hes the lead singer). was quite funny :D

Now that would be entertaining! :)

EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 05:58 PM

Haha, that sounds hilarious!

friend4u178 · Jan 28, 2010, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by ohsohappy

Okay so he's 20, he still looks like he's 15. LOL

Yeah... a 15 year old girl :D

EmoPrincess · Jan 28, 2010, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by friend4u178

Yeah............................... a 15 year old girl :D

A very pretty 15 year old girl!

Thank the divine I'm a 17 year old bisexual girl, else this would be creepy!

hheath541 · Jan 28, 2010, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by xXxEmOxXxPrInCeSsxXx

I have a very open mind. If he wants to look like that, more power to him. I think he looks very good like that. I wish I was that pretty. I'm all for free expression as long as it isn't hurting someone. Through makeup, clothes, body mods, words, the arts, etc.

Thank you. I think that makes you a better person. It takes someone comfortable with themselves and understanding enough to realize that everyone is different to be able to accept people for who they are.

Originally Posted by twinkiedooter

Basically the Goth Rock look or bizarre eye makeup is a thing of the 1980's and is definitely in the past. The look is probably very popular over in Germany as a lot of young adults missed the 1980's over there and are now catching up. And this is definitely a gay look with all the chains, etc. as well as the dude looks like a lady.

What part of I'm not fooled by he's "straight" don't you understand? No real man wants to look like a woman unless he has a head full of bad wiring which this person obviously does. He needs therapy and lots of it if indeed he is "straight". (Which I seriously doubt that he is).

Actually, that look is still alive and well in many communities in america. (I can't speak for germany.) it is prevalent in the lgbt community, as well as portions of mainstream society. Many metrosexual men wear some degree of make-up, as well as ANYONE who is on TV or the stage, including actors and politicians.

Most likely, the overdramatic make-up was done for the purpose of those photoshoots. If it was a woman wearing way too much make-up, no one would question the fact that it was done just for those pictures. Since he happens to be male, you seem to assume that he ALWAYS wears that much make-up.

Did anyone ever say that he's straight? If so, then I must have missed it.

I don't think it MATTERS what his sexual orientation is. I am HIGHLY offended that you would say that he has to be mentally unstable to dress the way he does. You more than implied that no straight man would ever dress less than 'manly' and that doing so means severe mental illness, homosexuality, and makes him less of a man. IF he is gay, that DOESN'T make him ANY less a man than anyone else who was born with a penis and does NOT mean that he needs therapy. Homosexuality was taken off the books as a mental illness YEARS ago.

The way he dresses has NOTHING to do with his physical sex, and EVERYTHING to do with his gender identity. If I had to guess, I would say that he is what is known as a gender-er, someone who chooses to ignore all conventional gender rules in favor of doing and wearing what feels most comfortable for them.

The clothing is not absolutely feminine. It seems more unisex, with the possible exception of the jeans. I have known many COMPLETELY straight men who wore women's jeans, simply because they were more comfortable and flattering to them.

Gender identity has NOTHING to do with sexual orientation. Someone who is physically male, but identifies as a women could just as easily be attracted to men or women. The same goes for physical females who identify as men.

This is just an example of a double standard. Women who dress in masculine, or unisex, clothing are called tomboys. Men who wear feminine clothing are called sick and gay and perverts.