[arcura]

lambsev,
Yes Jesus is the savior not the law, but Jesus tells us that we are expected to obey the law.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

What makes it easier to understand the question of this thread is obedience to God, and His will being done on earth as it is in heaven.

Ask yourself what Christ did? We are told to follow His footsteps.

The royal law known in James 2:8 is "Love" and that means to love your neighbors.

So our discipline is love! Love God above all, love each other as he loved us, love your parents and family. Let that love determine how you treat one another. And in that love comes what determines how much you love God. Do you love God enough, to do as He created you to be in HIS likeness? His likeness would be not the facial appears of God, but it is the righteousness and truth that He offers us.

Adam and Eve failed to do the righteous will of God, but Christ set us free from that curse. Christ lived the righteous will of HIS Father, and we walk then in His footsteps to follow HIM..

Love is the completed circle in discipline that has been given to you as a calling of hope.

It became a decision by freewill to answer that calling. As the bread comes from the Father in revealed truth, who will answer that calling, and who will not fall asleep. Who out of love for Christ Jesus will walk as He walked? Remembering that Christ spoke, and did everything according to HIS Father in heaven. Showing complete love to HIS Father in heaven.

Can you walk as He walked? We are to be begotten again, being one with Christ as He was one with the Father.

[sndbay]

I mean, is Thou shalt not steal one of the Laws that was nailed to the cross? What do you think?

It is written: Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross



ordinances = what is legal, proper, fitting, custom, behavior
law = body of prophetic teaching
commandments = code of wisdom, what is prohabited by the precept of God
statutes = civil enactments prescribed by God

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...-418031-7.html

[galveston]

Gal 5:1-4
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


John 1:17
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

You are either under Law or Grace. Not both.

Jesus did fulfill every "jot and tittle" of the law; therefore everyone who is "in" Him is counted as having done so.

Jesus incorporated the moral law into His teaching and made it binding on His followers. He allowed his disciples to violate the Sabbath, and did Himself heal sick people on that day.

On judgment day, we will stand before the bar as either under Law or Grace.

If under Law, then we will be on our own and the Law will condemn us.

If under Grace, then we are free from the curse of the Law.

[Wondergirl]

The 7th day Sabbath was changed to Sun Day.

Sunday became the new Sabbath in order to commemorate and celebrate Jesus' resurrection (years before Constantine showed up on the scene).

[Wondergirl]

The Law = S.O.S. = Shows Our Sins
The Gospel = S.O.S. = Shows Our Savior

Because Jesus lived a perfect life under the Law and saved us from its condemnation, we are now free to live a life of love and service to our fellow man.

We do not do good works out of fear of the Law's punishment, but out of love for Jesus Christ and to emulate Him.

Matthew 25 --
34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'"

[sndbay]

Jesus did fulfill every "jot and tittle" of the law; therefore everyone who is "in" Him is counted as having done so.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is to walk in light and not in darkness.

Romans 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

~in Christ

[sndbay]

Col 3:1-2-3

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.


One death on the cross with Christ
One baptism to be buried and raise as Christ raised.


Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances

If you wish to die the second death then continue to sin and eat at satan's table!

(Rev 2:11, Rev 20:6, Rev 20:14, Rev 21:8)

[arcura]

sndbay,
I believe that you are right that following Christ is to emulate what He did and a big part of that was obeying the ten commandments.
Thus we are expected to do so.
Also another is to forgive as Jesus demonstrated.
He also told us that if we are to be forgiven of our sins then we MUST forgive others in the same manner we want to be forgiven.
So the best way to forgive is quickly and without conditions.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[I Newton]

You are right Jackson.

I cannot comment on what different religions say but if the bible is anything to go by, then the 10 commandments were done away with but we are still bound by the spirit of the commandments.

If you find a commandment repeated in the new testament then we are expected to obey it.

If one is not repaeted, then it wouldhave been part of the Mosaic law that we no longer follow.

The two commandments that Jesus mentioned, actually covers the 10 commandments.

If you love your neighbour (Samaritans, neighbours were also enemies) as yourself, you would not steal from them, kill them, lie about them, disrespect them, etc etc etc.

If you love the God of the Bible, you would not mix his requirements with those of other religions, i.e. have other Gods.

So you would want to keep your worship as pure as you can, hence the first century Christians were willing to be fed to the lions rather than do anything different to what Jesus instructed them.

[sndbay]

sndbay,
I believe that you are right that following Christ is to emulate what He did and a big part of that was obeying the ten commandments.
Thus we are expected to do so.
Also another is to forgive as Jesus demonstrated.
He also told us that if we are to be forgiven of our sins then we MUST forgive others in the same manner we want to be forgiven.
So the best way to forgive is quickly and without conditions.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Yes Fred as it is written in Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.


It is written: Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

[lambsev]

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[galveston]

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And without the new nature received at the time of salvation, it is impossible to love God according to the commandment.

Therefore, since carnal, unregenerated man can NOT love God, he has broken the first commandment, and therefore all the Law.

Aren't you thankful for your new nature!:)

[lambsev]

Yes and Amen to that!:D

2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[Wondergirl]

The two commandments that Jesus mentioned, actually covers the 10 commandments.

Israel was a very young nation that didn't understand love, so at this point in their growth, God couldn't say, "Love me and love your neighbor." Israel wouldn't have known what God meant. God had to give them rules and regulations (the Ten Commandments), lots of dos and don'ts. It's like God was raising a young child who has to be told "No" because the child doesn't know how to express love; he understands only "no." Later, God felt the nation was ready for lessons on how to love, so Jesus did the teaching for those.

[arcura]

Wondergirl,
Yes that's true.
The 10 Commandments are a blueprint of how to live this life well and it is summed up in the 2 great Commandments.
I wish all here to have a wonderful, happy, and prosperous new year.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

Let us remember Christ suffered on the cross to fulfilled scripture, He suffered baptism to fufill baptism, and Christ came not to destroy the commandments or the law but to fulfill them.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

~in Christ

[lambsev]

Actually God did say both those things to Israel:

Deuteronomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

He even said the following which is tantamount to saying "love your enemies":

Leviticus 19:34
But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

[arcura]

Lambserv,
Well said.
Fred

[Wondergirl]

Actually God did say both those things to Israel

But like a small child, Israel had no idea what "love" meant, so had to be told item by item what should and should not be done.

Don't kick your brother.
Don't spit on your sister.
Don't keep tapping Mother's shoulder in order to say something.
Don't sass your father.