[sndbay]

There were changes made by the body and blood of Christ. However there are questions in understanding how the ordinances, the law, the statutes, and the commandments might have shown these changes, and how they are effective today.

What do you believe was established ? "He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. "

The following permitted by the Strongs Concordance gives the Hebrew and Greek word meaning behind the English word written in scripture for ordinances, law, statutes, and commandments.

ordinances = what is legal, proper, fitting, custom, behavior
law = body of prophetic teaching
commandments = code of wisdom, what is prohabited by the precept of God
statutes = civil enactments prescribed by God

[arcura]

sndbay,
I believe that Jesus Christ established as He said "a new covenant"
It was/is the covenant of salvation via His flesh and blood.
Jesus did give us some new commandments such as "love one another as I have loved you."
Also, in regard to the new covenant of His flesh and blood he told us to eat and drink it "for my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed".
Those could be considered to be statutes, but I think they are more.
If done properly it is called "The Eucharist" and it IS a Holy Sacrament.
He also said that of those who do as He said he will "raise them up on the last day".
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[rockie100]

The Mosaic law? The sabbath? The Ten Commandments?

[arcura]

rockie100,
I do believe that those were not left for us by Jesus during His ministry here.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[JoeT777]

Hebrews Chapter 10:

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, by the selfsame sacrifices which they offer continually every year, can never make the comers thereunto perfect. For then they would have ceased to be offered: because the worshippers once cleansed should have no conscience of sin any longer But in them there is made a commemoration of sins every year: For it is impossible that with the blood of oxen and goats sin should be taken away. Wherefore, when he cometh into the world he saith: Sacrifice and oblation thou wouldest not: but a body thou hast fitted to me. Holocausts for sin did not please thee. Then said I: Behold I come: in the head of the book it is written of me: that I should do thy will, O God. 8 In saying before, Sacrifices, and oblations, and holocausts for sin thou wouldest not, neither are they pleasing to thee, which are offered according to the law.

Before examining the meaning of verse 9 we must see the context which we derive from verses 1 through 8. (You can actually start in chapter 9 - a reference to the Temple.) This is a reference to the law of sacrifices, the Old Law, the Law of Moses. Paul is telling us that the blood of the goat or oxen cleansed, but not perfectly, remitting sin. But, if the Jews had been perfect sacrifice there would have been no need for Christ’s redemptive sacrifice. This sacrifice can remove sin because it is a sacrifice , and left “no conscience of sin” an offering did not please the Jew. Then came Christ who did the will of God, fulfilling the prophecy of the sacrificial lamb. This is the sacrifice that produces manna from God, not a sacrifice repeated but done never ceases, one in the same sacrifice of Christ’s dying for our sins. (Cf. CHURCH FATHERS: Homily 17 on Hebrews (Chrysostom))

Then said I: Behold, I come to do thy will, O God: He taketh away the first, that he may establish that which followeth.

Paul states clearly to the Jew, the old obligatory sacrificial law is taken away and replaced, a new sacrificial law which is consumed, an eternal continuation of the perfect sacrifice of the Lamb that consumes us, bite by bite, manna from God, the Holy Eucharist, the Real Presence of God. Christ keeps his promise to be always present with the faithful.

JoeT

[sndbay]

sndbay,
I believe that Jesus Christ established as He said "a new covenant"
It was/is the covenant of salvation via His flesh and blood.

Yes this is true as written. The old covenant that was did vanished, and Jesus is the mediator of the new.

Hebrew 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Jesus did give us some new commandments such as "love one another as I have loved you."

The word of God is not new but was made flesh in Christ Jesus.(So that is the newness that came by Christ) The grace of God given and shown in us shines as grace for grace.

1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.


What was the new came in Chirst Jesus, and is in us if we love HIM and follow HIM in the light (believe)

1 John 2:8-9-10 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.



Those that do not believe in Christ Jesus, do not believe in the new. They do not walk in rightoeusness, but in darkness

1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.



The new in commandment is that which is believed in Christ Jesus, and sent to us. Because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

Also, in regard to the new covenant of His flesh and blood he told us to eat and drink it "for my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed".

But again it is the same spiritual meat and drink because it is the old commandment that was the word from the beginning sent new in HIS flesh that dwelled amoung us.

1 Corinthians 10:3-4 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

Those could be considered to be statutes, but I think they are more.
If done properly it is called "The Eucharist" and it IS a Holy Sacrament.
He also said that of those who do as He said he will "raise them up on the last day".
Peace and kindness,
Fred

No because the statute was the civil enactments of the law commanded.

The priest was changed, and Christ was made the high priest. We acknowledge in assurance that Christ has done everything properly.

The word written clearly say take eat and drink in remembrance of Christ. The cup of the new testament is the new commandment (old from the beginning made new in flesh given to us once done)

Hebrew 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1 Corinthians 11:24-25 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.

~Grace be with you

[sndbay]

Paul states clearly to the Jew, the old obligatory sacrificial law is taken away and replaced, a new sacrificial law whic is consumed, an eternal continuation of the perfect sacrifice of the Lamb that consumes us, bite by bite, manna from God, the Holy Eucharist, the Real Presence of God. Christ keeps his promise to be always present with the faithful.

JoeT

According to (Numbers 9:13) the legal custom and behavior for passover, known as the ordinance for passover was appointed to a season. It was not proper to neglect this ordinance, and the failure of this would result in consequence to bear a sinful soul.

According to (Exodus 16:4) God proves mankind, and it would be done like rain falling as a feeding of bread from heaven, gathered daily by a certain rate to determine the out come of how each man would follow the law of God ( the schoolmaster )

One older yet important teaching to learn was reference in ( Lev 6:9) as the burnt offering that the Levite priest followed. (The civil enactment/statutes were done by the priesthood by command of the law) This was the sin offering referenced in (Lev 6:25 Lev 7:1 Lev 7:7 Lev 7:37 ) What is important to understand is the law is a teaching, given to mankind in aid of rightoeusness. God has offered the teaching of the law to protect mankind from earthly harm and destruction. Those destructive things here on earth that can tempt man in their desires of heart is known as what man loves to do. So what the law of God brought mankind was the teaching for proper behavior, proper custom, that fitting to do, and that which is considered legal by God.

(James 4:17) will tell us, anything done which is known as not proper is sin.

According to (Genesis 26:5) Abraham obeyed the voice of God by following the commandments, the law, and the statutes. So they have more then just the teaching of God in the law that protects them, they have the ordinances that shows them what is proper behavior, and they also have the commandments, and the statutes.

The commandments were given as the code of wisdom. (Exodus 34:28 ) tells us that the covenant, and the commandment were written in stone. The commandments example to mankind what man does that is sinful in the eyes of God. However if we love God and obey the voice of God, then we are as God found Abraham to be in faithfulness to God.

The final detail today is in understanding that we should be faithful to God. We are to hear the voice of Christ, we are to follow in HIS footsteps in righteousness. And we can do this because the statutes that were the civil enactments prescribed by God, have changed.
The statute is spoken of in (Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.)

The enactments/statutes that once were done by the priesthood in the law, changed to the likeness of Melchisedec, whom was appointed the higher priest, Christ Jesus. The civil enactment was final in the blood of Christ.

Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant.


According to scripture the ordinance of passover would be the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ ( 1 Corinthians 5:7). And what was once done by the priesthood was finish once and for all by Christ Jesus by one offering HE perfected forever mankind that are sanctified. (Hebrew 10:14)

Noted:

Hebrew 10:16-17-18 Where of the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

That higher priest over the house of God is Christ Jesus

Hebrews 10:20-21-22 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

[sndbay]

The Mosaic law? The sabbath? The Ten Commandments?

Rockie100,

I see the question mark behind each, but you are correct to believe each were brought to the final civil enactment/statues in Christ and HIS blood.

1. Yes the final statutes in the blood of Christ brought fulfillment to the law.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

2. Yes the final statutes in the blood of Christ brought us REST in Christ and is the holy sabbath. For God rested from HIS work, and we enter HIS REST.

Hebrew 4:3-4-5 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this placeagain, If they shall enter into my rest.


3. Yes the final statutes in the blood of Christ brought us the new commandment in HIM, Walk in HIS footsteps.


John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

1 John 2:7-8 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

2 John 9:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.


~Grace be with you always

[De Maria]

And what was once done by the priesthood was finish once and for all by Christ Jesus by one offering HE perfected forever mankind that are sanctified. (Hebrew 10:14)

Sndbay, I compliment you on a fantastic post.

The one questionable portion is this statement I quoted which implies that Jesus did away with the Priesthood.

But Jesus didn't. It is impossible that He would.

Remember you also quoted the following:

Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

You see, Jesus didn't eliminate the Ministerial Priesthood. In the Old Testament, the Levites fulfilled that role. The Levitical Priesthood is one of the shadows of the good things to come. Therefore, the Ministerial Priesthood of the New Covenant is the good thing to come which cast the shadow that was fulfilled in the Levitical Priesthood.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[arcura]

De Maria,
I'm glad that you pointed that our so well.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[De Maria]

There were changes made by the body and blood of Christ. However there are questions in understanding how the ordinances, the law, the statutes, and the commandments might have shown these changes, and how they are effective today.

What do you believe was established ? "He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. "

A New Covenant in the Blood of Christ.

I've read some of the answers and I believe one of the most important changes has been overlooked.

Baptism.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

There is nothing in the Old Testament which can be compared to this Gift. Circumcision comes the closest. Circumcision, the sign of the Covenant by which Jewish boys were proclaimed members of the family of God.

Yet, this sign was not administered to Jewish girls. Nor was the administration of this sign a washing of sin from the soul nor a regeneration of the person to whom it was administered.

In Baptism, we are given the gift of the Holy Spirit, we are INCORPORATED into the Body of Christ, we are forgiven of our sins, washed of Original Sin and born again (regenerated) as new creatures in Christ.

Although the Jews did practice a form of washing which they also called "baptism", their baptism was not effective in accomplishing what the Baptism of Jesus Christ accomplished.

Acts 19:3-6 (King James Version)

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Sincerely,

De Maria

[arcura]

De Maria,
But baptisim properly done is by water and spirit in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Did Paul do that or just laid his hands on them?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[JoeT777]

“There were changes made by the body and blood of Christ”

Please explain what changes, when they were made, and who made them.

[sndbay]

Sndbay, I compliment you on a fantastic post.

The one questionable portion is this statement I quoted which implies that Jesus did away with the Priesthood.

But Jesus didn't. It is impossible that He would.

What was done away with was the priest daily ministering and offering sacrifices, which can never take away sins. It was not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats could take away sins.

BECAUSE those sacrifices left a remembrance of sin:
Hebrew 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

As (Hebrew 10:1) teaches those sacrifices offered year by year continually never would and never could make the member perfect.

The law = (body of prophetic teaching) that was, was only a shadow (of) the good things to come. Because the blood of Jesus was the final civil enactment that changed and ended the statutes = (enactment) of blood sacrifices which the OT law had taught, and commanded to be enforced.

Remember you also quoted the following:

Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

YES the good things to come did come in Christ, and the sacrifice offering that did not make members perfect, ended because "The Word of God" teaches that God took no pleasure in these offering of sin.
Hebrew 10:5-6 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Established NOW in Christ

Hebrew 10: 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

SANCTIFIED in the blood of Christ (to separate from profane things and dedicate to God, to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin, to purify internally by renewing of the soul)

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrew 10:12 But this man, after HE had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrew 10:14 For by one offering HE hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified

The blood of Christ became the new law and covenant, the Holy Spirit witnessed, And members sins and iniquities will HE remember no more. (Hebrew 10:14-17)

But Jesus didn't. It is impossible that He would.

Possible in Christ

Hebrews 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

You see, Jesus didn't eliminate the Ministerial Priesthood. In the Old Testament, the Levites fulfilled that role. The Levitical Priesthood is one of the shadows of the good things to come. Therefore, the Ministerial Priesthood of the New Covenant is the good thing to come which cast the shadow that was fulfilled in the Levitical Priesthood.

Sincerely,

De Maria

We NOW boldly enter through the veil by the blood of Christ, because HE did SANCTIFIED us, by a new and living way.

Christ is the high priest of the house of God
(Hebrew 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God)

Note this as a question:
Hebrew 7:11" If " therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Note the oath of priesthood being made, and the commandment of statues being disannulling = (abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection) and changed for the new way, new covenant, the better way.

Hebrew 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Hebrew 7:20-21 And inasmuch as not without an oath HE was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by HIM that said unto HIM, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)

Hebrew 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.



Priesthood statutes ended

Hebrew 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death


Christ high priest forever

Hebrew 7:24-25-26 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore HE is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by HIM, seeing HE ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this HE did once, when HE offered up HIMSELF.


The word of oath and withness of the HOLY SPIRIT that changed the priesthood to Set Christ on the throne as LORD of LORD, KINGS of KINGS forever.. amen

Hebrew 7:27 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


~Grace be with you all

[arcura]

As De Maria pointed out the priesthood was changed.
It was changed from the Old Testament version to then New under Christ as THE high priest.
They were called presbyters (teachers), that is priests (in English).
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

As De Maria pointed out the priesthood was changed.
It was changed from the Old Testament version to then New under Christ as THE high priest.
They were called presbyters (teachers), that is priests (in English).
Peace and kindness,
Fred

As you can view in the Quote,

Therefore, the Ministerial Priesthood of the New Covenant is the good thing to come which cast the shadow that was fulfilled in the Levitical Priesthood.

The QUOTE says as you can view, that the Ministerial Priesthood was the good thing to come .. I disagree
The Catholic church teaches that Christians as a "priesthood" were what Peter supposedly called the Ministerial Priesthood in reference (1 Peter 2:9 "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people set apart." )



I believe the Word of God clearly says the OT law having a shadow of the good thing to come, is further saying that by Christ and the cup of the NT all was fulfilled. Christ was the good thing to come, the better way, the new way. (Hebrew 9:11)


Thead: Was The Blood of Christ The Final Statute?


~in Christ

[sndbay]

A New Covenant in the Blood of Christ.

I've read some of the answers and I believe one of the most important changes has been overlooked.

Baptism.

I agree Baptism was changed by the blood of Christ. As we are crucified with Christ, we also are buried with Christ in Baptism. And then able to raise in that death free from sin, and walk in newness of life.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[arcura]

sndbay,
Please keep in mindn that duringn His ministry Jesus was God the Son in both flesh and blood.
So... therefore any statute He established was of fkleash and BLOOD.
Baoptism does fit that mold.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

sndbay,
Please keep in mindn that duringn His ministery Jesus was God the Son in both flesh and blood.
So...therefore any statute He established was of fkleash and BLOOD.
Baoptism does fit that mold.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred I am not sure what your point is?

The thread question? Was The Blood of Christ The Final Statute?
I believe it was, and that is why we do not have testimony in command of statutes in the NT.
Christ is the passover Lamb, and we do not sacrifice HIM again. God's work is done, and we have REST in Christ.
We can NOW enter that which is within the veil ( Hebrew 6:19-20 )

John 3:38 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into HIS hand.

[sndbay]

Every Word of Truth

Hebrews 9:11-12 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Hebrews 9:13-14 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause HE is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


Hebrew 9:24-25-26 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us Nor yet that HE should offer Himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

~Grace be with you