[Luv_a_bull098]

I will agree with you that the purebred dog is being over bred. That is why you are getting so many bites. No one cares about the lines. Which is why my next pure bred papered dog will come from Europe where they have strict breeding regulations :). Americans have ruined the purebred dog. But... creating mutts just because you're going to wean out the bad parts of the purebred isn't the answer either. Mutts aren't exactally a more healthy dog either. Cancer affects all dogs and is caused by the crap food people put into their bodies. Mutts are also a good candidate for the "free to good home" newspaper add and end up in the testing facilities because people find no worth in for money. Every breed of dog has their downfall. Like I said before you jumped down my throat, it is all in what you are looking for. I never once talked bad about the mutt dog... I was just simply letting the person know what could happen and what to maybe expect from both purebreds, mixes and designer.

[JudyKayTee]

I will agree with you that the purebred dog is being over bred. That is why you are getting so many bites. No one cares about the lines. Which is why my next pure bred papered dog will come from Europe where they have strict breeding regulations :). Americans have ruined the purebred dog. But... creating mutts just because you're going to wean out the bad parts of the purebred isn't the answer either. Mutts arent exactally a more healthy dog either. Cancer affects all dogs and is caused by the crap food people put into their bodies. Mutts are also a good candidate for the "free to good home" newspaper add and end up in the testing facilities because people find no worth in for money. Every breed of dog has their downfall. Like I said before you jumped down my throat, it is all in what you are looking for. I never once talked bad about the mutt dog... I was just simply letting the person know what could happen and what to maybe expect from both purebreds, mixes and designer.

Cancer is caused by "crap" food? Again, I have never seen that.

I don't know what "mutts" being used for research has to do with the OP's question. I also don't know the worth of "mutts" in testing labs. The labs in my area use AKC dogs so they also have a genetic background. I know. I spent a lot of time circulating petitions concerning surrendered dogs ending up in labs.

As far as jumping down your throat - again, any time anyone disagrees with you, however politely, you consider it to be "jumping down your throat."

If you are going to stick around you really do have to change your attitude.

[shazamataz]

I will agree with you that the purebred dog is being over bred. That is why you are getting so many bites. No one cares about the lines. Which is why my next pure bred papered dog will come from Europe where they have strict breeding regulations :). Americans have ruined the purebred dog. But... creating mutts just because you're going to wean out the bad parts of the purebred isn't the answer either. Mutts arent exactally a more healthy dog either. Cancer affects all dogs and is caused by the crap food people put into their bodies. Mutts are also a good candidate for the "free to good home" newspaper add and end up in the testing facilities because people find no worth in for money. Every breed of dog has their downfall. Like I said before you jumped down my throat, it is all in what you are looking for. I never once talked bad about the mutt dog... I was just simply letting the person know what could happen and what to maybe expect from both purebreds, mixes and designer.

Hmm I think we need to back up a step...

All purebred dogs?

Really?

There are responsible breeders out there you just have to do your research to find a good one, which unfortunately, most people don't... they go " WOW it's AKC registered"
AKC registered means absolutely nothing, you have to actually understand the process of breeding dogs to know the difference between a good and bad breeder.

Look at the pedigrees, look at the parents pedigrees, grandparents and so on...
Look at the pedigrees of their OTHER dogs as well.

Then you get people assuming that LINE breeding means INBREEDING... and that it is evil and bad. Couldn't be farther from the truth, in a lot of cases line breeding is a good thing as long as an outside line is introduced at some point.

I do agree with you about your statement about mutts, people are breeding these "designer dogs" for all the wrong reasons.
The man who first started breeding Labradoodles did it because his Grandmother (?) was highly allergic to dogs and blind, he was trying to create the perfect guide dog for her.
It didn't work and he abandoned the project... people STILL breed these dogs even though the whole experiment didn't work.
Heck we even have a Labradoodle "farm" here... they have pumped out 800 dogs in the past 10 years and there isn't a damn thing that can be done about it (I've tried)

Pet stores here sell Jackadoo's and maltipoos and lord knows what else and charge in excess of $1600 for them.

If someone wants to adopt a mutt then good on them, you can get some great, loving mutts.
But when people want to buy or breed a mutt that's when my bad side comes out.

As for the food causing cancer... I'll leave that one alone.

[Alty]

Mutts are just a mixture of different breeds. A lot of mutts are biters because they have too many temperaments in them. I'm not putting down people who would prefer a mutt to a purebred. Every person has their own taste in what they consider a good dog. I, like purebreds. I like to know exactally what I got and what I can expect from them. If you want to "preach mutts' then go for it. I won't.

You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, your "purebreds" are likely to have a worse temperament because of all the inbreeding done with purebreds. There aren't many breeds that have been bred properly. Purebreds often have genetic defects, for some reason a lot of mixed breeds seem to skip those defects.

Did I say I like designer breeds? no. They're just a gimic to get people to spend large amounts on money on papered mutts (I know of some people who get certificates stating their dog is a designer breed, its ridiculous, really).

Designer breeds and purebreds, it's all about the paper trail. You're no different then a person that gets a designer breed. You're right, it is ridiculous. You can't judge a dog by it's breed any more then you can judge a human being that has mixed heritage.

I currently own a mutt, a pit/rot mix. She does display both temperaments. I trained a couple designer dogs and witnessed both temperaments come out. The owners of these dogs swear to this day that they have witnessed both temperaments. I had two puppies in a class. Both came from the same litter. There were probably several fathers to this litter and there was a huge difference between the two puppies, and I know for a fact that it wasn't nurture, it was nature. In my moms rescue, we are breed specific with GSPs. Every once in awhile we will get a mixed GSP breed and you can definitely see the other half.

There will be dogs with bad traits, just as human beings can also display unfavored traits. Having said that, I don't believe in nature versus nurture when it comes to dogs. Any breed, if treated right, raised right, trained right and loved can become a good dog.

There are my facts. I have witnessed them first hand. Want to challenge me some more? Then bring it :) If you want to push the mutt breed dog, then go for it. I, however, will stick to my blue blood.

Challenge? When did Judy challenge you? If you want a fight, then pick on me. Trust me, I have the facts to back up what I say, I'm not just basing my posts on what I've experienced.

I have 3 dogs, 2 mixes and one purebred. They all have their differences. Before these two "Mutts" I've always owned purebred. One bad thing after another. Not in behavior, but illnesses, thousands of dollars spent in vet bills. The two mixes haven't displayed any of that, even the lab cross with epilepsy, it was a relatively easy and cheap fix.

We now have a purebred Beagle, only because it's one of the purest breeds out there. Beagles have very few genetic defects, because the breeders have done their best to keep the line clean. It's sad, but because Beagles are so healthy overall, they are the number one choice for animal testing.

I've done my research, now I'd like to see yours, so "bring it".

[shazamataz]

We now have a purebred Beagle, only because it's one of the purest breeds out there. Beagles have very few genetic defects, because the breeders have done their best to keep the line clean. It's sad, but because Beagles are so healthy overall, they are the number one choice for animal testing.

I've done my research, now I'd like to see yours, so "bring it".

Sadly I wish poodles were the same... it's very hard to find one in this country without being timid.

My 2 were intended to be show dogs but are now family pets due to their temperaments.

There are people out there trying to improve the breed, there always will be but then you get the people who don't give a darn...

Look at Cavaliers, it is estimated that 25% of ALL cavs have a genetic disease, now I know someone very well who breeds cavs and he is appalled at the lack of testing most breeders do, and the fact that they are breeding their "healthy" dogs so young before they exhibit signs of the disease.

[Alty]

Shazzy, I had a purebred poodle. He was born to two very famous show dogs, top notch breeders. If they hadn't sold him to us as a pet, he would have been put to show. He was a beautiful dog.

Sadly he inherited every defect known to the breed, back problems being the number one. We almost lost him once, because his back seized, he would have been paralayzed. A few thousand dollars later and he was clear, but he was never the same.

The reason we went for a purebred beagle was the research we did, not only on the breed, but the breeder we adopted him from.

There aren't many breeders left that care about the breed of the dog. Too many people are breeding without any knowledge. Because of that we're getting more and more inferior dogs, dogs with all types of health defects, and the "breeders" only care about the money they're making.

It's sad.

Anyone can get two dogs together and have puppies, but it takes someone with knowledge, experience, to breed a healthy litter.

We've been through this so many times, with so many posters. I guess we get to do it again. Will it ever get through? I doubt it. It's sad, because only the dogs suffer, and they deserve so much more.

[shazamataz]

My brain goes on auto-pilot when talking about breeding lol
Between the countless threads on here and 23 years of listening to mom :p

Yep, I have purebreds drilled into my brain, I don't hate mutts at all, I know some gorgeous cross breds (the one next door to my parents is lovely, she's a border collie mix) but I would never go out and buy one, and (here come the boo's) I wouldn't adopt either.
I have just had purebreds too long, that and I have fun at dog shows ;)

Poodles are becoming a real problem breed, I didn't realise it was that bad in Canada/America as it was here.
I know the best poodles are Scandinavian, quite a few people have been importing from there trying to get rid of bad blood.

My mom used to breed Great Danes but got out of the breed due to too many health problems, they are beginning to get back on track now so she bought one from a good breeder *cross fingers* all goes well with him (I swear that dog thinks he actually IS scooby doo)

[Alty]

No problem at all with buying purebreds. If you buy from a legit breeder, which I know you do. :)

The problem I have is with misinformation. People honestly think that the poodle they buy from the pet store is a purebred of pure blood lines, just because it has papers. They don't realize that that pup is a ticking time bomb puppy mill dog. Love it, yes. How can you not love a dog? But, those same people take their papered puppymill dog home, find another papered puppymill dog and they breed, without any knowledge as to what they are doing. Now you have another litter of ticking time bombs, even worse then the parents. That's why breeds are dying, because of ignorance.

Now, get a mixed breed and you're likely adopting a dog that was an oops or bred by irresponsible pet owners that don't care about the welfare of the pups. They either want to experience the "miracle of life" (even though 100's of thousands of dogs die each year in shelters, or they believe the myth that each dog should have a litter or they're just greedy. Again, only the dogs lose. That's why I adopt from shelters, and the possibility of finding a purebred in a shelter is very slim.

There are breed specific shelters, but you're not getting the best of the blood line if you go that route. Still, those dogs need love, just like all dogs.

It's a very tangled web. A web that grows daily. A web that can be cut off if only people would listen, learn, be responsible.

I'm going to go all Bob Barker on everyone. Have your pets spayed or neutered. Really, the life you save is not only your beloved pets, but those of the babies that pet has, the babies those babies have, the babies that the babies of those babies have, et al. It's a vicious cycle. It must be stopped.

In the meantime, there are dogs that die because of human greed and ignorance. As long as that continues, I'll continue to support the mixed breeds that need a loving forever home, and love the purebreds that come from good, caring, honest, trustworthy, educated breeders. :)

[shazamataz]

I had a lady approach me to use my boy at stud a few months back...
Sure I could have made $1,000 on the stud fee, but I knew the b*tch she intended to put him to had patella problems, no way in hell way I promoting the breeding of a dog with problems.
I have since had my boy neutered.

Same with my girl, she has a few issues as well as temperament problems, she was spayed at 12 months old when her show career ended.

You know I love you Alty, you are my partner in crime when it comes to dogs ;)

[shazamataz]

Scooby Doo is a Great Dane? I never really thought about it. I need to get out more. ;)

Haha yes, supposedly, they don't come in that color though ;)
Every Dane I have lived with has been a placid, loving dog... then Kade comes along and he is a complete goofball lol

[Just Dahlia]

I love Scooby Doo:D

[rex123]

Sadly I wish poodles were the same... it's very hard to find one in this country without being timid.

My 2 were intended to be show dogs but are now family pets due to their temperaments.

There are people out there trying to improve the breed, there always will be but then you get the people who don't give a darn...

Look at Cavaliers, it is estimated that 25% of ALL cavs have a genetic disease, now I know someone very well who breeds cavs and he is appalled at the lack of testing most breeders do, and the fact that they are breeding their "healthy" dogs so young before they exhibit signs of the disease.

Its sad isn't it. People only breed their dogs for the profit and don't care about the breed or the pups. My brother is currently looking to purchase a daschund. And I told him that to make sure he gets one that's been vet tested, has its first couple of needles, has been dewormed and that its parents have been vet checked.

[HotPotato2009]

So... I was talking about a Jack Russell and a Miniature Pinscher you guys lol!! I was trying to get everyone's opinion about which one you think is good for apartment life?? I already know where I plan to get the dog from so that's not the problem here. I just want to make sure that I am making the right decision on these dogs.

I'm moving into a medium sized apartment with no backyard. Which one do you think is best for that?

I read that Jack Russells will do okay in apartmetns also Luv

[Unknown008]

How do I send pictures to my computer?

Hmm, if you are taking from your mobile, you need a cable linking your computer to your mobile (Which I don't have :()

If you have a digital camera, you either need a cable, or a card reader in the case where your camera records the pictures in a memory card.

If however, it's already on hardware (photography paper), you can try scanning.

[rex123]

So..... I was talking about a Jack Russell and a Miniature Pinscher you guys lol!!! I was trying to get everyones opinion about which one you think is good for apartment life????? I already know where I plan to get the dog from so thats not the problem here. I just want to make sure that I am making the right decision on these dogs.

I'm moving into a medium sized apartment with no backyard. Which one do you think is best for that??

I read that Jack Russells will do okay in apartmetns also Luv

I would say the min pin. I know a few people with Jack Russels and they are EXTREMELY ENERGETIC. They need lots of exercise.One jack russel I know also has a habit of eating valuable things, like a $50 bill. OOH that would hurt... He is very destructive.

I don't know much about min pins, but I would definitely say a Jack Russel is not the right dog for you, unless you are willing to put a lot of time in training and lots of exercise.

Good Luck

[HotPotato2009]

LOL OK. Yeah I just went to look up more info on both dogs and it does say that Jack Russell are energenic. I guess that's out then lol. Min Pin it is. I hear those dogs are great for apartment life and do fine without a yard. That's right up my alley! Good thing about those dogs are they a pretty healthy. And I'll have to buy a goddie coat for cold weather which will be cute.

[Greyhound98]

There are many, many rescue groups operating to find homes for abandoned pets. If there is a particular breed you are interested in, do a search on the breed name and your state and you will likely find a wonderful companion who needs you as much as you need him/her. Best of luck!

[HotPotato2009]

Thanks Greyhound98 but I'm aiming more at the Min Pin now.If I keep changing my mind, I'll never find anything lol

[Luv_a_bull098]

You people are incredible. It seems anyone who is all into dogs owns nothing but mutts. I don't like mutts. Sorry. Have I told anyone who is shopping for a dog that a mutt is a bad dog? No. Its another life that has been saved. There are a lot of breeds out there that I don't like myself. I think that a lot of breeders and AKC "title cup winners" have completely wrecked these breeds. When I first got into the dog world, I owned a GSP (I still own her, she's 12 and is as beautiful as ever). We bought a female with European bloodlines, She was second generation American. Very well dispositioned animal. She had puppies and they are wonderful. We started rescue for GSPs because my mom absolutely loves this breed. I have witnessed first hand the wreckage that humans have caused this breed within the 12 years of running this rescue. They have developed a lot of common bad behaviors that are consistent with breedings. No one breeds a HUNTING dog anymore, they're breeding tiney little worthless pets that are afraid of everything and are becoming more aggressive in a lot of ways. I have met 4 GSPs that should have been deemed unadoptable, but we fortunately found homes for all dogs and the people were aware and ready to deal with their problems. AKC will register ANYTHING. It doesn't matter if there have been hip checks or genetic tests, they will register a litter for the money. People will buy dogs based on their looks alone. They do not research the breed, or educate themselves once they have a puppy. People will leave these dogs home alone for hours on end with no exercise or interactions and then wonder why their dog is so screwed up... AND THEN, they decide to breed it. I'm not really a fan of all the common dogs. I like rare dogs. I like dogs that not too many people would own. GSPs were that when I first got one. Now, they're extremely common. I own two APBTs myself. Its amazing how wonderful they are and how many people ask me questions about them. Its kind of fun to reeducate the crowd on these dogs. I know they are not rare, but when I'm ready for a new dog, it will be :) You people have jumped down my throat for anything that I have said. You have all corrected me because you think that I don't know anything or know what I'm doing. A lot of things I don't know... I'll admitt it. And I think the best way of learning, is by experiencing it. You all look down on me because I don't run to the vet every time a dog has a boo boo. If the problem is serious, and its life threatening, then yes, take it to the vet. Kennel cough, worms, scrapes... I'm sorry, but I'm not willing to spend that much money on something that simple. There is a book out that I have not yet read, but claims that a good majority of vets are only in the business to rip you off. I would tell you a story, but apparently witnessing something isn't worth much to any of you. I have a lot of good ideas, and I guess you could say that I'm a "new age" dog trainer. I run with the pack, I don't micromanage my dogs. I feed them better food then what I can get for myself, and my dogs are in optimum health. I get a lot of compliments on how well behaved my dogs are and I get thanked all the time for helping people make their lives easier with their dogs. Seriously, don't threaten me by saying I need to change my "attitude" if I want to stay on a blog site. I will continue to give out my home remedies to those who could benefit from them and don't want to spend $100 or more at the vet for something as simple as a de-wormer. I'm sorry if I don't think the way you all do. I do plan on becoming an animal behaviorist and am patiently awaiting schooling for it. Dogs are my passion. I get upset and pissy when I see people doing them wrong and pumping unnecessary chemicals into their bodies (annual shots). I hope you all a wonderful day and I hope that Hotpotatoe finds what they are looking for, which will more than likely be a puppy :)

[Just Dahlia]

Quote}they're breeding tiney little worthless pets that are afraid of everything and are becoming more aggressive in a lot of ways.{quote


I love my 'tiny little worthless pets' They give me a reason to come home and to get up in the morning. Basically they give me life.:):(

Edit: forgot to use the sarcasm font