[speechlesstx]

If I was a muslim, and believed that my religion was being hijacked by these terrorist, I would be ashamed. That is what I am waiting on the MSM to report on, major muslim groups repudiating the acts Nidal and his fellow jihadists.

Exactly, I've been asking that for years. I heard somewhere from some Muslim talking head that is exactly what was happening but of course there were no specifics. So who among the Islamic world will stand up and take back their 'peaceful' religion?

[excon]

So who among the Islamic world will stand up and take back their 'peaceful' religion?

Hello again, Steve:

I thought the idea of proclaiming him a terrorist was to BLAME somebody else. I can see that I was right... You think some Muslim - ANY Muslim - owes you an apology, or needs to make some statement or something to make YOU happy.

WHEN, as a Christian, are you going to apologize for the abortion doctor killing, done by a CHRISTIAN based upon CHRISTIAN ideas and morals?

excon

[tomder55]

Ex Steve and other Christians here have and continue to condemn the actions of killers proclaiming a mandate from God as justification for their actions.

The left seems very confused about this . Here is Chris Matthews as an example.
“apparently he tried to contact al Qaeda. Is that the point at which you say, 'This guy is dangerous?' That's not a crime to call up al Qaeda, is it? Is it? I mean, where do you stop the guy?”

Why is that even an issue ? AQ is a self professed enemy of the United States. Would Chris have had the same pause of confusion if a soldier during WWII had attempted to contact the German or Japanese ? Ridiculous display of PC if you ask me.

Oh wait... that's right... it's no longer a "war".

[tomder55]

Senior federal investigators confirmed Tuesday night that since last December, the FBI monitored from 10 to 20 “communications” between suspected Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan and an overseas terror suspect known for preaching violence and expressing sympathy for Al Qaeda.
But although an FBI-led task force undertook an “assessment” of the Army psychiatrist as a result of those contacts, counter-terror officials concluded earlier this year that Hasan's communications with the terror suspect were “protected” by “free speech” and did not warrant opening up a criminal investigation of him, the investigators said.

FBI Counter-Terror Officials Were Never Told About Hasan's Gun Purchase - Declassified Blog - Newsweek.com

[excon]

Hello tom:

So, the FBI can VIOLATE our rights by SNOOPING in on our conversations, but they can't USE anything they hear because it VIOLATES our rights??

That's as bizzaro as you get. I thought you misprinted it. You didn't. That isn't political correctness - that's just plain nuts.

excon

[tomder55]

What is even more bizarre is that you think his contacting an enemy during war is a protected right.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Do YOU think that YOUR side is above political correctness? Why do you use phrases like "enhanced interrogation technique" instead of torture.. Why don't you call "rendition" what it really is, which is kidnapping?

Is it because you want to soften those words? Isn't that the bane of political correctness in the first place? Or, do you just deny that the above example IS political correctness, simply because it's YOUR side who uses those phrases? I'll bet you do.

excon

[excon]

What is even more bizzare is that you think his contacting an enemy during war is a protected right.

Hello again, tom:

In fact, it is. Actually, I read the Fourth Amendment. It says that if the government wants to listen, it needs to get a warrant. It really DOES say that.

That isn't bizarre. The fact that you THINK it's bizarre, IS what's bizarre. That's because the Fourth Amendment is the CORNERSTONE of our legal system. I know, you wingers don't like that, but that's the way it here in this great country of ours. Bummer for you, huh?

It's true, the only Amendment you'll support is the Second. However, I warned you before about cherry picking - not because I think you should LIKE those other pesky rights we have. You never will. But, you should support those rights, so that you'll have a good argument to use when they come for your guns.

excon

[tomder55]

Ex;
The funny thing is I too have read the Constitution.

Here is the part I find pertinent .

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

And I'm sure the Uniform Code of Conduct has much more to say on the issue.

[excon]

Here is the part I find pertinent .

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

And I'm sure the Uniform Code of Conduct has much more to say on the issue.

Hello tom:

As you can see, we are speaking about TWO different issues. I don't disagree with you on the issue you raise above. He's a treasonous bastard. But, if they want to use the phone or his emails to CATCH him, they need a warrant.

That kind of stuff shouldn't be news to you. If you retort by saying that the need to get a warrant hamstrings the government, I'd retort by saying the government can't be TOO hamstrung, or we wouldn't BE the worlds LARGEST jailer - and we ARE.

excon

[tomder55]

You are presuming that they did not have a warrant . I don't know that to be the case . But do I think he needed one ? Nope . FISA provides for the authorization by the President to listen in on conversations with the enemy .

[excon]

You are presuming that they did not have a warrant. FISA provides for the authorization by the President to listen in on conversations with the enemy ..

Hello again, tom:

Nope. I'm relying on the article you linked us to. It said they couldn't use the information because it would violate his rights... IF they had a warrant, using the information WOULDN'T have violated his rights...

Plus, if what you say is true, they (1) didn't need a warrant and therefore, COULD use the information, or (2) the FBI screwed up royally...

But, if we went back to the good old days where a warrant WAS required, he COULD have been stopped before he went on his rampage. Lots of soldiers would be alive. It turns out that all the rights the dufus violated in order to keep us safe, didn't do that at all.

excon

[tomder55]

That's a leap. The Holder Justice dept incorrectly concluded his free speech rights would be violated by using the information gathered against him. Nothing in the article suggests the means of obtaining the information was suspect.

Again ;there was never a provision that monitoring enemy correspondents required a court order.

[excon]

The Holder Justice dept incorrectly concluded his free speech rights would be violated by using the information gathered against him. Nothing in the article suggests the means of obtaining the information was suspect.

Hello again, tom:

Dude! Nothing OTHER than their admission that they collected it ILLEGALLY. Otherwise, they COULD have used it, and they said they couldn't. I don't know what could be more plain.

You say the Holder Justice Department, but the intercepted communications go back into the dufus administration. They didn't do anything WITH the information they had to keep us safe, either.

excon

[tomder55]

I just reread the article to see if I missed anything... I didn't . NOTHING in the article suggests there was any problem in the means the information was obtained.

[speechlesstx]

I thought the idea of proclaiming him a terrorist was to BLAME somebody else.

I thought the idea of calling him an Islamic terrorist was to call it what it is, stop making excuses and quit dancing around the issue of Islamic terrorism. Obama's DHS had no problem concerning itself with "rightwing extremists" like "disgruntled military veterans" such as neo-Nazis, skinheads and other white supremacists," and terrorists like Timothy McVeigh who was executed 8 years ago, using terms like "violent radicalization."

It had no problem stating more than once that the election of the first African-American president and his stance on abortion was likely to encourage more violence. The press had a field day over a nutjob named James von Brunn that killed a black security officer, and yet this guy is being portrayed as suffering from PTSD even though he'd spent his career in an office. We're supposed to not rush to judgment or blame Islam yet he told his neighbor "I'm going to do good work for God."

So what should we call it?

I can see that I was right... You think some Muslim - ANY Muslim - owes you an apology, or needs to make some statement or something to make YOU happy.

No, I just hate political correctness and the double standard that comes with it. The same day Dr. Tiller was killed Obama issued this statement:

I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.

Two days - TWO DAYS - after the murder of Private William Long by a Muslim convert Obama issued this statement:

“I am deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence against two brave young soldiers who were doing their part to strengthen our armed forces and keep our country safe. I would like to wish Quinton Ezeagwula a speedy recovery, and to offer my condolences and prayers to William Long’s family as they mourn the loss of their son.”

When it's a Muslim he's "deeply saddened" by a "senseless act of violence." When it's an abortion killer he's "shocked and outraged" by "heinous acts of violence."

WHEN, as a Christian, are you going to apologize for the abortion doctor killing, done by a CHRISTIAN based upon CHRISTIAN ideas and morals?

I'm not looking for an apology from anyone and I have none to offer. I have always condemned such violence and every mainstream Christian church and organization I'm aware of does as well. Yet no one seems to have a problem calling us to account and attaching all manner of labels to us for the violence of one wacko.

[tomder55]

Ironically ;the week this happened the Democrats were taking steps to let the "Lone Wolf " provisions of the Patriot Act expire.

This as the MO of AQ appears to be shifting away from centrally planned and managed operations to individual acts of jihad coordinated via web sites .

[tomder55]

A senior government official tells ABC News that investigators have found that alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan had "more unexplained connections to people being tracked by the FBI" than just radical cleric Anwar al Awlaki.

Official: Nidal Hasan Had "Unexplained Connections" - ABC News

[speechlesstx]

They were just too busy looking for all those other rightwing extremists to see the huge red flags from Hasan.

[speechlesstx]

Nope. I'm relying on the article you linked us to. It said they couldn't use the information because it would violate his rights... IF they had a warrant, using the information WOULDN'T have violated his rights...

My question is were the intercepted emails from a private account of Hasan's or were they from a military account? You do know that you have no expectation of privacy with an email account owned by your employer don't you? Does anyone know whose account was intercepted?