[simoneaugie]

Agree and who hurt those people? Do you think that when people of religion were hurt it was not the evilness that hurt them? Do you think today we/America fight good people or do you think we flight against evilness?



Oh come on, you can't really think this?

When we are faced with the evilness coming at us, do we need to defend ourselves? You see I feel God put man upon the earth to protect his family and love everyone. It would be wonderful if life on earth could be as the eternal life we are promised. But it is not, and evilness has been as God says, sown among us here on earth. That's why we have our instinctive nature to help us, and as an American, I feel we are a nation under God's power of protection "if we abid in HIS will. We can be the servants of God that help and bring protection to other nations of people.

This is really off thread.. I do pray for you, and care that your heart Has chosen to be blinded in love for God.

All those who hurt or kill others believe they are right. How is it that only the Christians are right?

[sndbay]

Very well put I think. Religion, including yours, was set of (invented) to terrify and enslave mankind and monopolize power and profit. That's all the churches have ever done. Destroy the mind, tell people how to live and take their money.

Well as for me, I consider myself to be non-denominational and simply a child of God. The profit is life eternal, and contrary to enslavement, I believe we were set free and given liberty to choose (free will). My belief is that our Creator has given us love in every possible way that is possible.

Just as I believe there is a God, I also know there is evilness. And as a mother, I would protect and give my life daily for my children in a fight against evil. As a person, I would give my life daily to confess my love in ONE Faith, One Lord, One Baptism, and One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.

It seems to me you're set against man/religions that have made God's love for you something it is not. However, I don't disbelieve that religion in some cases have tried to set discipline and rules up to help people follow God's will. Not all are bad and not all are good, and very similar to people themselves.

[sndbay]

All those who hurt or kill others believe they are right. How is it that only the Christians are right?

Who said Christians?

[cadillac59]

Well as for me, I consider myself to be non-denominational and simply a child of God. The profit is life eternal, and contrary to enslavement, I believe we were set free and given liberty to choose (free will). My belief is that our Creator has given us love in every possible way that is possible.

Just as I believe there is a God, I also know there is evilness. And as a mother, I would protect and give my life daily for my children in a fight against evil. As a person, I would give my life daily to confess my love in ONE Faith, One Lord, One Baptism, and One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.

It seems to me you're set against man/religions that have made God's love for you something it is not. However, I don't disbelieve that religion in some cases have tried to set discipline and rules up to help people follow God's will. Not all are bad and not all are good, and very similar to people themselves.

I love Thomas Paine's remarks that "my mind is my own church." Thank you. Yes. I don't need some other poorly evolved primate telling what his or her god said and thus instructing me on how to live my life. What an affront to my own autonomy that is.

What freedom is there in religion? It's the very definition of enslavement. Free to do what? Worship and praise god endlessly, grovelling before your god? What's so free about that? Would you demand that of your children? Of course not. Would you be so presumptuous as to call that free? How absurd.

[sndbay]

I love Thomas Paine's remarks that "my mind is my own church." Thank you. Yes. I don't need some other poorly evolved primate telling what his or her god said and thus instructing me on how to live my life. What an affront to my own autonomy that is.

What freedom is there in religion? It's the very definition of enslavement. Free to do what? Worship and praise god endlessly, grovelling before your god? What's so free about that? Would you demand that of your children? Of course not. Would you be so presumptuous as to call that free? How absurd.

Again off thread, and yes I would answer I do expect my children to follow by my rules within my household. It's discipline and done for everyone's own good and welfare.

Life outside the household isn't different from that, because no matter where you go there are rules and owners of the rules.

I admit we always have someone that want to be the boss and take the power into their own hands. And they hurt everyone else in doing so because nothing can run smoothly and there comes the trouble makers.. The bad guy..

OFF thread!

[cadillac59]

Again off thread, and yes I would answer I do expect my children to follow by my rules within my household. It's discipline and done for everyone's own good and welfare.

Life outside the household isn't different from that, because no matter where you go there are rules and owners of the rules.

I admit we always have someone that want to be the boss and take the power into their own hands. And they hurt everyone else in doing so because nothing can run smoothly and there comes the trouble makers.. The bad guy..

OFF thread!

But you'd never treat your children the way your god treats you and call that love, or say it was kindness. You don't demand your children worship you, or grovel before you. And you would never be so cruel as to wish to keep your children weak, small and dependent, and under your power and control their entire lives. A true act of love would be freeing them to be themselves and be independent. The god of Christianity never does that. That god keeps you a slave for an eternity and call's it deliverance.

[sndbay]

But you'd never treat your children the way your god treats you and call that love, or say it was kindness. You don't demand your children worship you, or grovel before you. And you would never be so cruel as to wish to keep your children weak, small and dependent, and under your power and control their entire lives. A true act of love would be freeing them to be themselves and be independent. The god of Christianity never does that. That god keeps you a slave for an eternity and call's it deliverance.

You know what Cadillac, I don't know where you got your idea about God, I don't know why either. But the God I love, and who loves me, has given me my 3 children. And has given us 4 grandchildren. I freely love and am thankful to God for all that He is, and continues to do for me each day.

And when I look at the path my life has taken over the years, I rest very comfortable knowing God is watching over us all. My heart trust God because at least I know He says nothing He doesn't mean. No scare tactics, it's all true.

I don't like the bad guys, and God doesn't like the bad guys because they hurt others.

~in Christ

[cadillac59]

You know what Cadillac, I don't know where you got your idea about God, I don't know why either. But the God I love, and who loves me, has given me my 3 children. And has given us 4 grandchildren. I freely love and am thankful to God for all that He is, and continues to do for me each day.

And when I look at the path my life has taken over the years, I rest very comfortable knowing God is watching over us all. My heart trust God because at least I know He says nothing He doesn't mean. No scare tactics, it's all true.

I don't like the bad guys, and God doesn't like the bad guys because they hurt others.

~in Christ

My idea of god comes from the same place as yours. Will you still go to heaven if you reject god? Not in your religion. So it's forced: believe or get smashed. Where's the love and freedom in that? Who would want to be under 24 hour a day surveillance, like god keeps you under and who would want to be judged merely by their thoughts? That's not love, that cruelty and enslavement.Your idea of freedom and love is a crude distortion of reality.

[galveston]

So, Cadillac,

You don't like Christianity?

You should thank the God you don't believe in every day that you don't live under Islam.

You KNOW what they would do to you.

[Fr_Chuck]

Nothing is forced, it is a choice,

As for as the original posts, there are many groups that call thierself Lutheran, few are liberal. In fact gay rights ( which is not a right at all) is not within the teachings of Luther, and those churches calling thierself Lutheran go against his teachings on this.

Of course personally any church accepting gay behavior go against the bible and stop being christian at that point anyway

[simoneaugie]

I don't like the bad guys, and God doesn't like the bad guys because they hurt others.

~in Christ

You asked who specified Christianity when I asked why the Christians are right and everyone else is wrong, bad. Answer: You did.

[Fr_Chuck]

This is the christianity board, and as such you are to get answers from a christian view point,

If you don't want to know what christians teach, please don't come and post here.

Next if you are not answering a question from a christian view point, that is what is expceted.

You can't give christian answers on a muslim board, and you don't get dishwasher answers on the auto board.

[classyT]

Simoneaugie,

That hasn't been my experience at all... I have felt just the opposite. Oh well I still think anyone should be able to answer but I also think it is appropriate to let the OP know if your answer isn't really christian.. or biblical.

[galveston]

Psst, Caddy,

You need to learn the difference between the QUESTION board and the DISCUSSION board.

Get it?

[cadillac59]

Psst, Caddy,

You need to learn the difference between the QUESTION board and the DISCUSSION board.

Get it??

It seems much of the same thing goes on in both boards either way you look at it.

[cadillac59]

caddy,

Dude, why do I always feel you are mad at me? Maybe i'm misreading your posts but I feel some misplaced anger directed at me.

Well anyway my experience so far on AMHD has been that if you are someone who believes the bible is absolute truth on the Christian board...you aren't necessarily popular. for lack of a better term. But that's ok...i never WAS all that popular. ha

Caddy, all i can tell ya is that I believe the Bible is the written word of God. Inspired by the Holy Spirit and written by men. I believe this by Faith....i can't prove a thing. but the more you read the Bilbe and you understand it the more you realize it isn't just a book. It is absolutely Awesome and mere men could not have written it.

Biblical for me is anything written in those 66 books called the OT and NT

look I respect your right NOT to believe and to post anything you'd like to.

I think I said before i don't usually try to post answers on the Islam board. Because I am not a muslim and I don't read the quran. I have asked a question there before. I just wouldn't attempt to try to answer one. And the reason i think ( could be wrong) that Fr_Chuck is not happy about your posts is not that you aren't a Christian..because it is true many people answer on the Christian board that are not professing Christians but it is because of the disrespect for the Bible and Christianity you display in your posts.

Hope I answered your questions... now please stop being so darned irk with me. :)

I'm not angry with you, of course not. That would be absurd. I think all I was pointing out was that we subject the bible and its teachings to none of the critical analysis and scrutiny that we apply to other subjects-- like science for instance. People just accept the bible because they accept it. There's no real answer for why or reason justifying it. It may be upbringing, it may be experience. Who knows? My personal feeling is that much it is genetic. Not that there's a faith gene, but there is likely some genetic predispostion toward believing in the supernatural -whatever form that takes- that some people seem to have and others don't. It seems to run in families as well. Atheist households produce believers and the households of believers produce atheists.

[galveston]

I'm not angry with you, of course not. That would be absurd. I think all I was pointing out was that we subject the bible and its teachings to none of the critical analysis and scrutiny that we apply to other subjects-- like science for instance. People just accept the bible because they accept it. There's no real answer for why or reason justifying it. It may be upbringing, it may be experience. Who knows? My personal feeling is that much it is genetic. Not that there's a faith gene, but there is likely some genetic predispostion toward believing in the supernatural -whatever form that takes- that some people seem to have and others don't. It seems to run in families as well. Atheist households produce believers and the households of believers produce atheists.

When you say that the Bible has not been subjected to any critical anylisis, you are flat out wrong.

Those who compiled the writings that were put into the Bible examined each one critically, to see if it contained contradictions, was historically accurate, whether it was written by the one it was attributed to, whether it fit the chronology it was supposed to, etc. Every scrap of manuscript they had was compared to see if they agreed or not. Those that disagreed with the majority texts (about 80%) were rejected. (I am talking about the King James version here)

Only when a passage had passed all known tests to eliminate false texts was it placed in the Bible.

[cadillac59]

When you say that the Bible has not been subjected to any critical anylisis, you are flat out wrong.

Those who compiled the writings that were put into the Bible examined each one critically, to see if it contained contradictions, was historically accurate, whether it was written by the one it was attributed to, whether it fit the chronology it was supposed to, etc. Every scrap of manuscript they had was compared to see if they agreed or not. Those that disagreed with the majority texts (about 80%) were rejected. (I am talking about the King James version here)

Only when a passage had passed all known tests to eliminate false texts was it placed in the Bible.

Oh yeah. Some wackos in the middle ages examined some texts and made some judgment call about what was in and what was out and that's good enough for you? Amazing. Who were these people by the way? Name one. And what qualified that person (even if you can name one) to decide anything for us today, let alone what god's word supposedly is?

No thanks. I can trust my own mind in deciding what is god's word and what isn't. And there is no word of god because there is no god, or if there is, it's an impersonal (deist) god that does not intervene or care about human affairs.

[arcura]

The original bible was promulgated centuries before the middle ages by the Catholic Church after many years of study, discussion, prayer and guidance by the Holy Spirit.
That bible is essentially very much the same and most of the recognized bible versions we have today.
The original KJV did have the Deuterocanonical books in it but because of Protestant pressure PLUS a shortage of paper at that time the publisher decided to no longer publish those books in future editions.
So what we have today are many versions of the bible which are incomplete.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[cadillac59]

The original bible was promulgated centuries before the middle ages by the Catholic Church after many years of study, discussion, prayer and guidance by the Holy Spirit.
That bible is essentially very much the same and most of the recognized bible versions we have today.
The original KJV did have the Deuterocanonical books in it but because of Protestant pressure PLUS a shortage of paper at that time the publisher decided to no longer publish those books in future editions.
So what we have today are many versions of the bible which are incomplete.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Right, but the bible was put together in the 4th century AD. Who were the people that decided what was in and what was out? And what gave them the right to decide for today, for us living in 2009, what is and isn't the word of god? That's what I'd like to know and no one even questions it! Amazing.

The bible is rubbish anyway, as far as I'm concerned so I couldn't care less. But it only serves to show how foolish believers are today.