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 Originally Posted by excon
I heard some very strong questions about in the Specter/Sebillius video why members of Congress feel that they can pass a piece of legislation that they haven't read. Sebillius refused to answer saying that she's not a member of Congress. Specter's response was "we have to make quick decisions". I heard some strong questions in the Specter/Sebillius video about who is going to pay for this plan. Are taxes going to go up? Are services going to go down? And Sebillius couldn't answer them. There were very clear questions, excon. You just don't like the questions or the reaction from the crowd when these political hacks couldn't answer them. There were questions. There will be MORE questions. And accusations of some sort of conspiracy are not going to stop those questions from being asked. And if elected officials can't answer these questions, then they need to question their own support for the bill. And if they continue to support the bill, they can expect people to vote against them in upcoming elections. Elliot |
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Originally Posted by excon
Furthermore, it has since been passed several more times, sometimes with amendments. The thing has been picked to death, both before it became law, and for several years since. It has been thoroughly debated. Elliot Edit: I just looked up the legislative history of the USA PAtriot Act. The bill was first introduced to the House on October 12 2001, and was then signed into law on October 26. However, opponents were given the chance to debate against the bill, and in fact Russ Feingold and Pat Leahy both spoke up against the bill. There was plenty of time to read it and protest it and some did. There was also time to debate it again before it was re-approved in June 2005. Several changes were made to the bill during that re-approval process. And finally, the most important thing is that the USA Patriot Act had specific sunset provisions built into it. Any "damage" caused by the bill would not be permanent because of those sunset provisions. What sunset provisions are there on Obama's health care bill? |
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Oh, sure, it's possible that you have no income and are getting your health care for free. But that would just make you a leech... nothing to be particularly proud of. But I'm making the assumption (based on your statements that you "make a good living" and "still manage to save some money") that you make at least average wage for Canada, and are being taxed accordingly. So the calculations aren't that hard. Unless you wish to dispute any of those assumptions... then we can talk about the economics of health care in the cases of individuals. Waste of time since it doesn't answer any questions about the system as a whole. But hey, I'm game. Elliot |
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Originally Posted by ETWolverine
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Actually I gave too much credit to Madcow. The DNC constructs the talking points heard here This is an email from Jen O'Malley Dillon of the DNC There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform. The truth is, it's a sham. These “grassroots protests” are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change. Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families — we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help. Can you read these “5 facts about the anti-reform mobs,” then pass them along to your friends and family? 5 facts about the anti-reform mobs 1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the “Swiftboat” ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings. It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no “government takeover” in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress. 3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the “SS” symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting — and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to “break” the President himself and ruin his Presidency. 4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to “stand up and shout” and try to “rattle” lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents. 5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to “a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress.” Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth. Thanks, Jen Jen O'Malley Dillon Executive Director Democratic National Committee |
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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Originally Posted by NeedKarma
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For your reading pleasure -- Heard a radio interview with David Gratzer while driving home from work last night -- From Amazon: The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care by David Gratzer -- "Drawing on personal experience in both the Canadian and U.S. systems, Dr. Gratzer shows how paternalistic government involvement in the health care system has multiplied inefficiencies, discouraged innovation, and punished patients. The Cure offers a detailed and practical approach to putting individuals back in charge. With an introduction by Milton Friedman, The Cure will be required reading for anyone who wants to know what is really wrong with the modern health care system." |
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
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