[N0help4u]

(Genesis 5:1-29) speaks of the generations of Adam directed to Noah. And of course Noah had three sons, Shem, Japheth and Ham (Genesis 5:32) This record family lineage from Adam spoke "only of his son Seth.." This goes to Noah generation (Genesis 6:9-10) continues in family lineage with Shem Japheth and Ham. We know at this time that God looked upon the earth and found it corrupted. God said all flesh was corrupted and was corrupting Noah's way of a perfect generation (Genesis 6:9 Genesis 6:12)

Then came the flood... Up to this point we knew Cain had been sent away and we know (God told satan refer: (Genesis 3:15) from the beginning that HE would put enmity between (satan's seed/spirit of evil) and (Eve's seed/spirit of God) So we know we have the division of good and evil that does exist.

However we do know that (Cain /seed or spirit of satan) was the known as the first murderer from the beginning, and his generation is spoken of in (John 8:44)
AND Satan's seed/evil spirit is also spoken in the JEWS actions refer: (Matthew 23:35-36) when Zacharias, who is John the Baptist father, and son of Barachias, was slain by the JEWS between the altar and temple.

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To remain on track, continue in the generation after the flood of Naoh (Genesis 10:1-32) which offers the divided nations on earth, known by generation in their nations. In the middle of this family lineage and noted in (Genesis 10:5) you will find the "Gentile generation" that began with Ham (Genesis 10:20) that would have us find importance in language spoken, their countries, and nations. This is a very important description if you would understand the heritage of countries, nations and language that God will further have written in the Word to destinguish each one from another.





I draw the importance on Gentiles because I trust you could better understand the refer of the Bible saying Gentiles were cut off and need grafted back in.
( It is only in the kingdom of grace that such a process, contracy to nation, can this be sucessful) Ham's son was cursed by Noah (Genesis 9:25) because Ham saw the nakedness of his father. (Genesis 9:22) One can only understand the truth of what is written in this by reference of KJV in translation or meaning in uncovered his father's nakedness. (Lev 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.. KJV)

Ham actually had a son by his mother, who was his fourth son, Canaan that Noah cursed and made a servant to Shem (Genesis9:25-26 ) which was mentioned in an odd manner, showing Noah's sons that went forth from the ark, and then mentioned oddly among those sons is Ham's fourth son with distincive difference in being Ham's son . (Genesis 9:18)

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(Genesis 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.) These are the generations of Shem (Genesis 11:10)

Through Noah's son Shem, came the generations of Terah, and Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. Then long after the beginning generation of Jocob, who is the son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham (Genesis25:26) God changed Jocob's name to Israel (Genesis 32:28) The 12 Tribes of Israel are of Jacob (Genesis 49:28)


All of this information as studied can show direction and distinguish the House of David as it continues. However I still find many questions in other human life that comes in contact with the Israelites. Where did they come from, the Egyptians, the Romans?

Such as Paul's hertiage as a JEW. He spoke of being born in Tarsus , a city in Cilicia, maritime province in the southeast of Asia Minor, boarding on Pamphylia in the west, Lycaonia and Cappadocia in the north and Syria in the east.

Tarsus was a major city in Cilicia and the birthplace and early home of Paul.( Acts 9:11; 21:39; 22:3) Even in the flourishing period of Greek history it was an important city. In the Roman civil wars, it sided with Caesar and on the occasion of a visit from him its name changed to Juliopolis. Augustus made it a free city. Its was renowned as a place of education under the early Roman emperors. Strabo compares it in this respect to Athens and Alexandria. Tarsus also was a place of much commerce. It was situated in a wild and fertile plain on the banks of the Cydnus

Act 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, [and] taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.

Gamalie was a Pharisee and celebrated doctor of the law, who gave prudent worldly advice in the Sanhedrin respecting the treatment of the followers of Jesus of Nazareth. Acts 5:34 (A.D.29.) We learn from Acts 22:3 that he was the preceptor of Paul. He is generally identified with the very celebrated Jewish doctor Gamaliel, grandson of Hillel, and who is referred to as authority in the Jewish Mishna.

Act 6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.

The Libertines denotes Jews (according to Philo) who had been made captives of the Romans under Pompey but were afterwards set free; and who although they had fixed their abode in Rome, had built at their own expense a synagogue at Jerusalem which they frequented when in that city, The name Libertines adhered to them to distinguish them from free born Jews who had subsequently taken up their residence at Rome. Evidence seems to have been discovered of the existence of a "synagogue of the Libertines" at Pompeii.

EXACTLY what I am saying so that DOES prove that the gentiles were cut off instead of
Another people being here on earth along with Adam and Eve. I do not notice any proof that there were others that were not offsorings of Adam and Eve in what you said.

[sndbay]

EXACTLY what I am saying so that DOES prove that the gentiles were cut off instead of
another people being here on earth along with Adam and Eve. I do not notice any proof that there were others that were not offsorings of Adam and Eve in what you said.

There are to many unanswered questions to suggest either way. (Genesis 2:11) speaks of the first. Does this mean the first man which is Adam was place in this area? Possibly I think it could.. (Genesis 2:4) suggests "these" noted to plural, are the generations. It is possible the males and females created on the sixth day are being placed in locations of land, starting with first Adam and all that his lineage would mean to us? What would you say is possible?

What I have gathered in respect to what is written in evidence of Adam and Eve is that the flood of Noah shows 8 souls were saved. (confirmed) as being 8 souls as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (1 Peter 3:20)

Whether there were or were not others men and woman in the beginning, God had washed the path clean for the 8 souls. Would you agree?

Whether these 8 souls were all considered Seth's lineage or ancestry from Adam is questionable, because it is not told from where the wives came.

What can be distinguished is that 2 of the souls did become beguiled by evil, and this confirms the begotten man of flesh that we all are, must be begotten again in Christ to live righteously unto life eternal.

The lineage of the Israelites is easily followed in scripture, and the Gentiles are distinguished. But there are questions in how the Kenite exists from which was the tribe Moses wife was said to have come from.

If you do a search on Kenite (7014) translated from hebrew word "Qayin" it means eldest son of Adam and Eve and the first murderer having murdered his brother Abel.. AND the tribe from which the father-in-law of Moses was a member and which lived in the area between southern Palestine and the mountains of Sinai..

How is this possible?

This would be why Aaron was against Moses being married to her.

So I don't suggest that we can fully know all the truth of man and their lineage except that the Israelite tribes would distinguish the lineage of David (Key of David) being the hertiage of Christ in HIS (supposed father Joseph) .. presenting Jesus " King of Kings "
And perhap to much importance is given to ourselves as man, as we guess at where we came from. We instead should teach the more important facts and understanding of Jesus on earth as man and how God's plan was to send us HIS son. (The Key of David)

[N0help4u]

To me it wouldn't make sense that more than Adam and Eve were created
I posted this but doesn't seem like anybody has ran across it yet.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ve-373109.html

[sndbay]

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/religi...ve-373109.html

Sorry had not read that... And it is not exact as to what I have said. The scripture verse (Genesis 1:27) will always be (So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them) The meaning of this is showing the reference of God's image of righteousness which God created us to be, and God is who created male and female.

Scripture later goes on to say in (Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day)

Later again scripture does say the first (Genesis 2:11) which was a location of land in that was destinguished as location of the first man was place or given. And I trust this was Adam placed in the garden of Eden. And it does continue with Adam and Eve there on.

However my last posting will show what I accept as being confirmed and what can only be presumptively suggested. Who is to say the second male was not placed in a second location? What was important is the first in which the Key of David would come and in which satan obviously would first beguilded and try to corrupt the hertiage of Jesus.

[0EntitY]

(Genesis 1:27) will always be (So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them)

You can do this too. Just get an image of something you want to create like a rainbow that speaks or something. See it? This is what I mean. I read something one way and sure enough there will be others who agree it says this or that or something else.

[N0help4u]

my last posting will show what I accept as being confirmed and what can only be presumptively suggested. Who is to say the second male was not placed in a second location? What was important is the first in which the Key of David would come and in which satan obviously would first beguilded and try to corrupt the hertiage of Jesus.

I can not follow ''my last posting will show what I accept as being confirmed and what can only be presumptively suggested'' sounds like a contradition.
I take Genesis 2 as reaffirming Genesis one and Adam is that man.
If there were 2 or more men or two or more women it does not add up with the rest of scripture.

[arcura]

N0help4u,
Yes, I agree that it does not add up to what Scripture says.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sndbay]

I can not follow ''my last posting will show what I accept as being confirmed and what can only be presumptively suggested'' sounds like a contradition.
I take Genesis 2 as reaffirming Genesis one and Adam is that man.
If there were 2 or more men or two or more women it does not add up with the rest of scripture.

Could you understand it better if you were to see the name Adam as meaning male human being.

Adam is reference throughtout scripture with 3 identies

1> 201 ( human being) this is not a name but just that human man as in male = adam
2> 221 (first man) the first located by land and "red" meaning perhaps skin color or blood (natural man)
3> 76 ( red earth) human being made by the red earth of his location, the first man of parent in a whole human family

We see throughtout scripture that the chosen people Israelites(nation, generation of family) came in contact with others not of their own generations or nation. Does this suggest that there was more Adam's = human being that would be created by God?

I agree that this one human man placed in the garden was given a wife so he was not alone. And I acknowledge this wife to be name by this human being, as Eve the mother of all living. Because it would be through her generations and nation of this family, it is written: For as in (Adam 76) all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

[N0help4u]

Throughout scripture people and nations got divided, made into new nations and so forth but they are trace back to Adam and Eve as the first parents.

[sndbay]

Throughout scripture people and nations got divided, made into new nations and so forth but they are trace back to Adam and Eve as the first parents.

I have to disagree and name just a few in question. If you can tell me how they trace back to Adam and Eve thr Seth as the Israelites .. please do..

Rephaims (Isa 17:5 - 1 Ch 14:9) also known as gaints

Moabites
Ashdodites
Phoenicians
Ammonites
Zamzummims

And this does not include what tends to be Kenites who trace back to Cain, and that would appear to be impossible because of the flood. (Moses wife and father's tribe)

The Canaanites would trace back to Canaan which was Ham's 4th son given birth through the nukeness of Noah's wife, and he was cursed by Noah (Genesis 9:22)

In scripture (Genesis 12:1-3) God told Abraham to leave his kindred, and go out of the country from his father. The promise to make him a great nation and increase his seed to that compared to the dust of the earth. God also said I will bless them that bless you and curse those that curse you. Making all families of the earth blessed. So would you think family other then his kindred are other then Adam to Seth lineage?

[N0help4u]

Okay then when the flood happened were all these people that you are asking about here before and after the flood?

Moabites trace back to Lot I do believe.
I am not sure of the others
So where do you say they originate back to?

Also
With your theory of more than Adam and Eve in the beginning, after Noahs ark there were only the few on the ark left so how did these others in Genesis 1 continue to repopulate the nations if only a few were left after the flood?

And what do you do with all the verses like this?
Acts 17:26, Paul states that the God Who made the world 'hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/descendants.htm


I'll explain how I believe the giants were here some other time.

[arcura]

sndbay,
I have to agree with noHelp4u.
Adam and Eve are the first parents of the human race.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[paraclete]

Okay then when the flood happened were all these people that you are asking about here before and after the flood?

Moabites trace back to Lot I do believe.
I am not sure of the others
so where do you say they originate back to?

Also
with your theory of more than Adam and Eve in the beginning, after Noahs ark there were only the few on the ark left so how did these others in Genesis 1 continue to repopulate the nations if only a few were left after the flood?

And what do you do with all the verses like this?
Acts 17:26, Paul states that the God Who made the world 'hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.
BIBLE STUDY MANUALS: ADAM AND EVE'S DESCENDANTS


I'll explain how I believe the giants were here some other time.

You want to know how a few people repopulated the Earth. No sex education here but there were no television sets then. Look at the story of the Israelites. From 70 who went down to Egypt with Jacob up to 3,500,000 moved out 430 years later. It isn't a very long stretch to see how the Earth was repopulated.

In my own life time the population of my nation has gone from 6,000,000 to 22,000,000, the population of the world has gone from 3 Billion to over 6 Billion. If World population doubles every 50 years how many generations does it take? In 20 generations of people just having two children and we know they had many more, you get to six million, so a couple of thousand years and you are out of space on the planet. Just as well we have wars and pestilence

Now Lot was Abraham's cousin and so he traces back to Noah through that line

[sndbay]

Okay then when the flood happened were all these people that you are asking about here before and after the flood?

Moabites trace back to Lot I do believe.
I am not sure of the others
so where do you say they originate back to?

Also
with your theory of more than Adam and Eve in the beginning, after Noahs ark there were only the few on the ark left so how did these others in Genesis 1 continue to repopulate the nations if only a few were left after the flood?

All Good Questions... The facts are not clear on when or where these came from. However I know Cain's lineage was before the flood, and yet there are Kenites that are shown in connection to Moses.

Through Noah's son Shem, came the generations of Terah, and Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. Then long after the beginning generation of Jocob, who is the son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham (Genesis25:26) God changed Jocob's name to Israel (Genesis 32:28) The 12 Tribes of Israel are of Jacob (Genesis 49:28)

So we know facts concerning the Irsaelites from Adam.. Seth...continued to Noah.. then Shem.

And we know facts concerning the Gentiles from Adam.. Seth..continued to Noah.. then Ham.

Noah's third known son was Japheth who according to scripture (Genesis 9:2) Japheth would remain within the tents of Shem with the promise in being enlarged.

Theses generation from Adam are shown confirmed in (1 Ch 1:1-4) and scriture does go on to confirm each lineage of Noah's 3 son.

And what do you do with all the verses like this?
Acts 17:26, Paul states that the God Who made the world 'hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.

I explained that on your other thread under religious discussion. The idea of one blood would mean human or natural blood.(begotton of man)

I'll explain how I believe the giants were here some other time.

No need they are a good example of what was not from Adam Seth or Noah.. I realize the fallen angels had everything to do with the gaints known as Rephaims

I also think the Ammonites might be descended from Lot through Ben-ammi and were mentioned in Deu 2:20 which also reference the Zamzummims. Yet they may be part of the Rephaims or gaints descendants. Not sure...

[sndbay]

sndbay,
I have to agree with noHelp4u.
Adam and Eve are the first parents of the human race.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred, I could almost agree with it, if the Ashdodites Phoenicians Ammonites Zamzummims are not considered human race.

From what lineage did the Egyptians pagan's come?

[N0help4u]

You want to know how a few people repopulated the Earth. No sex education here but there were no television sets then. Look at the story of the Israelites. from 70 who went down to Egypt with Jacob up to 3,500,000 moved out 430 years later. It isn't a very long stretch to see how the Earth was repopulated.

In my own life time the population of my nation has gone from 6,000,000 to 22,000,000, the population of the world has gone from 3 Billion to over 6 Billion. If World population doubles every 50 years how many generations does it take? in 20 generations of people just having two children and we know they had many more, you get to six million, so a couple of thousand years and you are out of space on the planet. just as well we have wars and pestilence

Now Lot was Abraham's cousin and so he traces back to Noah through that line

NO Paraclete
That is not what I am saying
Sndby says that not all decended from Adam and Eve. That there were other nations or whatever. I want to know where all the different nations came from before and after the flood if we didn't decend from Adam and Eve

[N0help4u]

I explained that on your other thread under religious discussion. The idea of one blood would mean human or natural blood.(begotton of man)

And I explained how ''OTHER blood" would not have had the curse of Adam and Eve

COLOR="indigo"]No need they are a good example of what was not from Adam Seth or Noah.. I realize the fallen angels had everything to do with the gaints known as Rephaims

AGREED

I also think the Ammonites might be descended from Lot through Ben-ammi and were mentioned in Deu 2:20 which also reference the Zamzummims. Yet they may be part of the Rephaims or gaints descendants. Not sure...

AGREED

[sndbay]

And I explained how ''OTHER blood" would not have had the curse of Adam and Eve

Other blood? That is what kind of blood, other then human? Even animals have red blood..

Genesis 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

[N0help4u]

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YOu know what I mean!
If there were more than Adam and Eve and they did not sin then their blood line could not have been under the curse. By other blood as opposed to one blood as you are suggesting I mean they would have a different heritage from Adam and Eve and not under the curse.

[arcura]

sndbay,
I have no idea from where the Egyptians came unless there were from Ham.
P{eace and kindness,
Fred.