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    #321

    Jun 14, 2009, 10:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaningman23 View Post
    oh that is fine...
    What are you doing for the church?
    may i ask
    which type of church you belong to?
    I'm the organist for the Christian Scientist Church in Davenport, IA. I'm a member of a Disciples of Christ Church and also a Missouri Synod Church. I've spent over 36 years doing work as a leader of music in churches of various denominations. I also was the custodian at the local Unitarian Church for eight years.

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    #322

    Jun 14, 2009, 10:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaningman23 View Post
    Ok I am somewhat understanding what you said....
    So bare with me I know you are tired...
    One of my buildings is 5010 Sq Ft.
    So
    for a weekly price
    I would do 5010 Sq Ft X .09 = $450.90 then times it by 52
    Actually Clean, I was misleading in the way that I explained this, I am sorry. This is what happens when you are over tired and stressed....

    Actually Clean $450.90 is your monthly billing total.that calculates to $52.03 per day for 8.67 days of cleaning per month on this job.

    For each job, take the total sq ft x the price that you choose ($.09 ?) per sq ft and that is your monthly billing. That is the most simple way that I can explain this. Without going into al the checks and balances that evaluate your prices...


    At normal cleaning for offices, Class C Type 5010 sq ft can be cleaned in approximately 2 hours or less each time.

    One of the problems in bidding is that obviously you do not know where your competition will come in with their price... pricing could be all over the board.

    Very tired my friend, very tired, good luck... Ask her when she will make her decision... let me know how you did.
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    #323

    Jun 14, 2009, 10:29 PM

    I'm impressed, Stringer!

    I didn't know anything about the classification of buildings.

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    #324

    Jun 14, 2009, 10:37 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Clough View Post
    I'm impressed, Stringer!

    I didn't know anything about the classification of buildings.

    Thanks!
    Hi Clough, I am so tired my friend, I think that I am really having problems with the stress and this diabetes. It is getting to me a little. When I get tired like this I could just collapse, exhausted really, and almost pass out when I get this way...

    Tomorrow is going to be h*ll I know what is on the agenda...

    Marta made an appointment for me with a diabetes specialist for sometime next week, I need ot start taking the shots I think...

    This to shall pass...

    See you later, going to sleep... I hope, going to bed anyway...

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    #325

    Jun 14, 2009, 10:43 PM

    Okay, will be communicating with both of you at a later time...

    I was out working in my yard, tonight. Couldn't work for very long because of being overly fatigued.

    Please, let's all try to take care of ourselves! I know that I really need to work on that!

    I need to get back to the doctor soon for another follow-up after being in the hospital and to renew prescriptions for my meds.

    Have a great and restful sleep, guys!

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    Jun 14, 2009, 10:43 PM

    Okay, will be communicating with both of you at a later time...

    I was out working in my yard, tonight. Couldn't work for very long because of being overly fatigued.

    Please, let's all try to take care of ourselves! I know that I really need to work on that!

    I need to get back to the doctor soon for another follow-up after being in the hospital and to renew prescriptions for my meds.

    Have a great and restful sleep, guys!

    Thanks!
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    #327

    Jun 14, 2009, 10:47 PM

    Clean... still the same calculation... 'price per sq ft x the cleanable sq ft'. Remember there will be additional build up of all the trash and extra work to be done. So that one day could calculate to almost 2 days worth of work... a lot more time spent in those washrooms also...

    So in my opinion 2909 X $.09 = $261.81 is what I would bid if I was bidding this job, my opinion though.

    By the way, when you order all those supplies for them remember that you will have to have enough for them for the whole week... if you order it weekly...
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    #328

    Jun 14, 2009, 11:04 PM

    If your question before was about the 'termination clause' I would not put that in there at this time, unless she requests it.

    But I would use that instead of a 'final date' in the proposal as you can continue on for a long time then and she has this clause to get out of the contract with a 30 day notice if desired.
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    #329

    Jun 15, 2009, 07:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Stringer View Post
    If your question before was about the 'termination clause' I would not put that in there at this time, unless she requests it.

    But I would use that instead of a 'final date' in the proposal as you can continue on for a long time then and she has this clause to get out of the contract with a 30 day notice if desired.
    What is that sentence?
    Do I have to insert it?
    I have all prices and everything worked out besides the beginning and end of the contract...
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    #330

    Jun 15, 2009, 11:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaningman23 View Post
    What is that sentence?
    Do i have to insert it?
    I have all prices and everything worked out besides the beginning and end of the contract....
    No, like I said before, just put in the 'start date', if she wants an 'end date' she will tell you. Why possibly shorten the term of your agreement when the 'open end' may allow you to stay with the contract a lot longer. Now, if she agrees to only the start date then she may want that 'termination clause'. It states basically that either party may cancel the contract with a registered written letter giving a 30 day notice from the date of the letter.

    Pricing made simple; Once you have determined your price per sq ft. Figure your total $$$ on a per day basis, then annualize that, example; $100.00 per day, one day per week is; $100.00 X 52 weeks = $5,200.00. Then divide that $5,200.00 by 12 months to arrive at your monthly charge (Remember, almost all commercial business is priced and billed... monthly) In this case... $433.33 per month.


    One or two days per week when bidding a job is very much alike in figuring the price. The main factor is extending it annually 1 day/week x 52 is 52, 2 days per week is 104, etc. then divide it by 12 months.
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    #331

    Jun 15, 2009, 11:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaningman23 View Post
    What is that sentence?
    Do i have to insert it?
    I have all prices and everything worked out besides the beginning and end of the contract....
    Please see my post 328 and 330.
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    #332

    Jun 15, 2009, 11:53 AM

    Ok I understand!
    I did not include an end date at all


    Here's the prices I have in my contract

    5898sq ft X .09= 530.82 per month

    5010 x .09= 450.90 per month

    2902 sq ft x .09 =261.18 per month
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    #333

    Jun 15, 2009, 11:58 AM

    I was a little confused by your wording before that's why I asked...
    Then when I seen the 104.. I udnerstood 104 for the two days a week then the 52 for the one day a week
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    #334

    Jun 15, 2009, 01:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaningman23 View Post
    Ok I understand!
    I did not include an end date at all


    Heres the prices I have in my contract

    5898sq ft X .09= 530.82 per month

    5010 x .09= 450.90 per month

    2902 sq ft x .09 =261.18 per month
    Bidding is always precarious Clean, other bidders sometimes just bid a price mainly to get the job... and when they do, they say "OMG...what are we going to do now????'

    They are always around and they really either don't understand planning the job out with labor, costs and profit... or they just don't give a damn until it is too late and they don't have the money and time invested in the job to do it as required.

    Now that the economy is bad, they are coming out of the woodwork and I love to come up against them they are easy to undermine... but a pain in the *ss...

    I can't tell you how many times I may have lost a job because the prospect took a chance with the very low price... and then a couple months later I would get a call from the client and he would ask... 'Is your price still good? NOOOOOOO... my price went up 25%... ha ha.:rolleyes:

    I wish you good luck, it is always fun to win a bid...

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    #335

    Jun 15, 2009, 04:59 PM

    Nice avatars, you two!

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    #336

    Jun 15, 2009, 05:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Clough View Post
    Nice avatars, you two!

    Thanks!
    Changed to this for a while for the forum thread, I'll probably go back again to another one.
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    Jun 15, 2009, 05:24 PM

    I might change to a different famous musician, but I'm not sure about that. I waited a long time before I came up with the best one to represent basically the type of personality that I have.

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    #338

    Jun 15, 2009, 05:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Clough View Post
    I might change to a different famous musician, but I'm not sure about that. I waited a long time before I came up with the best one to represent basically the type of personality that I have.

    Thanks!
    No... don't, I really like this one. :)
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    #339

    Jun 15, 2009, 05:46 PM

    Alrightttttttttt
    So I dropped of the contracts
    And its waiting time...
    Oh by the way I have to redo one of the contracts and bring them back tomorrow...
    Because the Prop manager told me before that she wanted a single contract for the two offices and the building maintenance together
    ... now she emailed me and told me they have to be separate...
    Its looking good at the moment though

    She said she needs them separate because her accounting departments need them for payment...

    Hmmmm does that mean I won?
    Well see

    Btw both of you guys thanks for all the help...
    Stringer I couldn't have done it without you man
    Thanks a tonnnnnnnnnnn
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    #340

    Jun 15, 2009, 06:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaningman23 View Post
    Alrightttttttttt
    so i dropped of the contracts
    and its waiting time...
    oh by the way I have to redo one of the contracts and bring them back tomorrow...
    because the Prop manager told me before that she wanted a single contract for the two offices and the building maintainence together
    ....now she emailed me and told me they have to be seperate....
    its looking good at the moment though

    she said she needs them seperate because her accounting departments need them for payment....

    hmmmm does that mean I won?
    well see

    Btw both of you guys thanks for all the help....
    Stringer I couldnt have done it without you man
    Thanks a tonnnnnnnnnnn
    Thanks, Clough and I are in your corner, but let's not jinx it... lets hold on saying anything... just think positive.

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