[cozyk]

Skell, I don't generally howl murder and genocide, but after roughly 49,551,703 abortions since Roe what would you call it?

I would call it abortions.

[excon]

they're "peacefully" doing what they can to get the "war criminal" Yoo fired, convicted, disbarred and otherwise "have problems living a normal life."

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, dissent is messy. But, as long as it's peaceful, it's legal, no?

excon

[speechlesstx]

I would call it abortions.

That's it? Nothing else? Not tragic, extreme, normal, no big deal, not worth discussing, irrelevant, troubling, slightly bothersome... nothing? Nearly 50 million children dead, gone, not given the slightest chance at living, loving, being loved, contributing to society and it's just "abortions?"

[speechlesstx]

Hello again, Steve:

Yeah, dissent is messy. But, as long as it's peaceful, it's legal, no?

excon

At someone's home? Legally it sounds like harassment to me. You're OK with that?

[excon]

At someone's home? Legally it sounds like harassment to me. You're ok with that?

Hello again, Steve:

On a public street?? You betcha. Like I said, freedom is messy.

excon

[speechlesstx]

Still sounds like harassment to me. Are you OK with the White House suppressing dissent on its "stimulus" projects as part of the administration's "transparency" policy?

Following OMB’s review, the Administration has decided to make a number of changes to the rules that we think make them even tougher on special interests and more focused on merits-based decision making.

First, we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons, not just federally registered lobbyists. For the first time, we will reach contacts not only by registered lobbyists but also by unregistered ones, as well as anyone else exerting influence on the process. We concluded this was necessary under the unique circumstances of the stimulus program.

[NeedKarma]

Still sounds like harassment to me. Are you ok with the White House suppressing dissent on its "stimulus" projects as part of the administration's "transparency" policy?

Anything which restricts the power of the lobbyist is OK with me. There is nothing more secretive to the american people than backroom deals done with lobbyists for the lobbyists selfish interests - Well Done Obama admin!

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

You call lobbying dissent?? Dude!! They should be shot!

excon

[speechlesstx]

Dudes, your knees are jerking. Who likes lobbyists? You skipped right over the highlighted portion, "we will expand the restriction on oral communications to cover all persons."

[NeedKarma]

Oh no, my knees are jerking! What will I do??

I didn't read one sentence, I read the whole thing, maybe you should too.

[tomder55]

The ACLU opposes this move by Obama for the reason Steve mentions ;it's infringment on 1st amendment rights.

You think that these rules only apply to "lobbiest" you oppose ? It also applies to anyone or any interest group petitioning the gvt. About the recovery act.

[speechlesstx]

Oh no, my knees are jerking! What will I do??????

I didn't read one sentence, I read the whole thing, maybe you should too.

You really shouldn't assume so much, NK. I have read the whole thing, and it says they're going to go beyond restricting oral communications on stimulus projects by lobbyists and apply it to "all persons," which means everyone. They're especially going to focus on restricting oral communications regarding "merit-based decision-making." The White House doesn't want us discussing which proposed projects have any merit. Last I checked it was still a free country and I have the right to orally discuss with our government officials how they plan on spending my money. This White House apparently thinks otherwise.

[speechlesstx]

The ACLU opposes this move by Obama for the reason Steve mentions ;it's infringment on 1st amendment rights.

You think that these rules only apply to "lobbiest" you oppose ? It also applies to anyone or any interest group petitioning the gvt. about the recovery act.

See? I've told you before even the ACLU gets it right sometimes.

[tomder55]

Hello again, tom:

There is a difference between REPORTING and WHIPPING people into a frenzy.

Neither YOU, nor the loons at Fox noise know the difference.

Excon

PS> This is reporting?? O'Reilly compared Tiller to a Nazi, called him a "baby killer," and warned of "Judgment Day"... He's pathetic!

To the heart of the matter... was John Brown a hero or murderous villain ?

Here is wikipedia's account of the investigation surrounding Brown's Harper Ferry raid .

On December 14, 1859, the U.S. Senate appointed a bipartisan committee to investigate the Harpers Ferry raid and to determine whether any citizens contributed arms, ammunition or money. The Democrats attempted to implicate the Republicans in the raid; the Republicans tried to disassociate themselves from Brown and his acts.
The Senate committee heard testimony from 32 witnesses, including Liam Dodson, one of the surviving abolitionists. The report, authored by chairman James M. Mason, a pro-slavery politician from Virginia, was published in June, 1860. It found no direct evidence of a conspiracy, but implied that the raid was a result of Republican doctrines. The two committee Republicans published a minority report, but were apparently more concerned about denying Northern culpability than clarifying the nature of Brown's efforts. Certainly the 1860 Republican Presidential candidate, Abraham Lincoln of Illinois, echoed his party's view when he called Brown a delusional fanatic who was justly hanged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)

Brown was the product of the bloody battles over the issue of slavery in the territories west of the Mississippi. Ironically like Roe v Wade ;SCOTUS laid waste to the legislative solution by ruling against the Missouri Compromise in the Dredd Scott decision
saying that Congress did not have the authority to prohibit slavery in the territories.

[speechlesstx]

Predictably, the vocal left has chosen to ignore Obama's call for "fair minded words" in the abortion debate. In addition to blaming Bill O'Reilly as Tom noted, the Huffpoers are going spastic over the murder of Dr. Tiller.


Cristina Page claims this is a "foreshadowing" of things to come. Now that we have a pro-abortion president in the White House those anti-abortion terrorist "sleeper cells" have been activated just like during the Clinton years.

During the entire Bush administration, from 2000-2008 there were no murders.

During the Clinton era, between 1994-2000 there were 6 abortion providers and clinic staff murdered, and 17 attempted murders of abortion providers. There were 12 bombings or arsons during the Clinton years.

During the Bush administration, not only were there no murders, there were no attempted murders. There was one clinic bombing during the Bush years.

One can only conclude that like terrorist sleeper cells, these extremists have now been set in motion. Indeed the evidence is already there. The chatter, the threats, the hate-filled rhetoric are abundant.

How quickly the left forgets their own hate-filled rhetoric and that the majority of domestic terrorist incidents in this country are perpetrated by environmentalists and animal rights groups.

Not to be outdone, Shannyn Moore writes of Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism.

It's shocking to write. But it's time to start calling it what it is.

When Jim D. Adkisson walked into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church with 76 rounds and a shot-gun, he killed 2 people and was charged with murder. His motive was "he hated the liberal movement" and was upset with "liberals in general as well as gays." He should have been charged with terrorism.

Sunday George Tiller, a Wichita doctor, was killed INSIDE the lobby of his Wichita church. Reformation Lutheran Church became a crime scene; fundamentalist terrorism.

The right wing media hacks make targets of the left. The fundamentalist reverends blather their intolerance of other Americans. Their marriages are in jeopardy if the GLBT community can walk down an aisle. Their children are going to be molested if you have to rent to a same sex couple. Fear... fear... fear the queer.

Bill O'Reilly's hit piece on Dr. Tiller is a training tape for Christian Fundamentalist Terrorists. Never did he ask the woman interviewed how she, as a 13 year old, got pregnant, who was the father, or where her parents were when she underwent an abortion at Dr. Tiller's clinic. I'm sure O'Reilly's drivel will insist on personal accountability for the murderer. I'm sure he won't be in line for any "accountability" for calling the doctor "Tiller the baby-killer" or his clinic a "death mill."

Are anti-choice groups celebrating today? An abortion doctor is dead so women won't have unwanted pregnancies!

The "war on terror" needs to include domestic religious, fundamentalist terrorists.
Who is next?

Funny that she should choose Adkisson as her poster child, Huffpo previously noted he "was a loner." Hardly a part of some "Christian Fundamentalist Terrorist movement.

No Ms. Moore, "Pro-life" groups are not celebrating today, they are in one accord condemning this tragic, senseless loss of life as are so-called "right-wing hate sites" like Hotair, Michellemalkin.com and LGF. There are no "Pro-life" groups, churches - fundamentalist Christian or not - that call for or advocate violence against abortion providers, supporters or gays. We're all intelligent enough to realize that would be entirely inconsistent with our cause, why aren't you?

Ms. Moore and Ms. Page, you are the ones spreading fear, fear, fear.

[tomder55]

Back to the topic (coolest President).

How cool is it to have a food taster like the kings of yor ?

I suppose it is probably Secret Service SOP to make sure that Obama doesn't get a dose of dioxin like Viktor Yushenko got when he pi$$ed off Putin ;or even worse ,Polonium-210 did in Alexander Litvinenko. In fact ;President Bush also had a taste tester when he went overseas... but he was hated by all so it had to be a greater concern... right ?

Even though Obama again dissed French President Nicolas Sarkozy by turning down a dinner invitation; it is hard to believe he would arrange a bad serving of Vichyssoise or Foie gras in retaliation.
Barack and Michelle Obama decline dinner with the Sarkozys - Times Online

The need to have a taste tester was supposedly only imperitive if Evita became VP . So it was a bit of a surprise to the French chefs when the Obama's had their food tasted before they dined at the La Fontaine de Mars in Paris.

President Obama's French food tested by 'taster'

For those obsessed with the Obamas menu selection ( I admit it is becoming a hobby) . He ate roast lamb and everyone else ate beef filets) .

It is not clear if his food taster accompanied him and VP Biden to Ray's Hell Burger.

[speechlesstx]

Perhaps there's more to it than just being dissed by Sarkozy. Maybe he just wasn't in the mood for schmoozing after hearing the EU is still taking a rightward swing.

In yet another sign of his coolness, Obama is apparently the first Sesame Street president.

[excon]

Hello again,

Come on guys... You got to admit, he IS the coolest pres we've ever had.

I understand, though. You guys think Pat Boone is cool.

excon

[tomder55]

Nice linkage !
I wondered why he picked Charles Rivkin ,a former President and COO of Jim Hensen Company ,as ambassador to France.

As far as the food tasting thing. Wouldn't it be better if he carried his own MREs on field trips ? I'm sure they come in Wagyu beef.

[this8384]

Hello again,

Come on guys... You gotta admit, he IS the coolest pres we've ever had.

I understand, though. You guys think Pat Boone is cool.

excon

Obama is cool.

However, I also think my 74-year-old grandmother, who works 10-12 hour days, is cool too. But I wouldn't want her running our country.