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    Jun 1, 2009, 06:33 AM

    I knew Dr. Tiller's murder would here front and center today, but even ABC news granted that both sides of the debate find this tragic, so don't try to lay this at our feet.
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    #142

    Jun 1, 2009, 06:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I knew Dr. Tiller's murder would here front and center today, but even ABC news granted that both sides of the debate find this tragic, so don't try to lay this at our feet.
    As is your situation, it's tragic but please don't lay it at our feet.
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    #143

    Jun 1, 2009, 06:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    I dunno how you can call it that, and still deny you're going to put the perps in jail.

    Maybe if we talked about that, you'd stop calling it murder - or not. Just looking for common ground here.
    I do believe it is murder when an unborn child is intentionally killed but I don't "howl" murder and genocide as a primary argument. Now can you answer my question? What would you call roughly 49,551,703 abortions since Roe? Health care?
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    #144

    Jun 1, 2009, 06:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    As is your situation, it's tragic but please don't lay it at our feet.
    Well gee NK, that might have some teeth if I had done that. And bvy the way, what on earth does your insulting opinion that the users at Digg are "mostly younger tech-savvy types than the people the Current Events forum here" have to do with anything? Say something relevant for a change.
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    #145

    Jun 1, 2009, 06:52 AM

    Ok Steve, I'll let you cool down.
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    #146

    Jun 1, 2009, 06:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Ok Steve, I'll let you cool down.
    I'm plenty cool, so what does your users at Digg comment have to do with anything?
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    #147

    Jun 1, 2009, 07:10 AM

    Another view, different from the neocon bias of these threadstarters.
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    #148

    Jun 1, 2009, 07:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Another view, different from the neocon bias of these threadstarters.
    You say that as if there's no liberal bias around here. LOL!
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    #149

    Jun 1, 2009, 07:18 AM

    Ok, Steve.
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    #150

    Jun 1, 2009, 07:37 AM
    In regard to Tiller's murder, no one on the right (except for that lunatic Fred Phelps) is calling for violence and/or intimidation in the abortion debate. John Yoo, who has been neither charged with or convicted of anything, is being stalked, harassed and threatened by the good leftists in Berkeley.

    Neighborhood Alert: Berkeley Home to Possible War Criminal
    By Cynthia Papermaster
    Thursday May 28, 2009
    From time to time I receive alerts, usually by email, from the Berkeley Police Department and neighborhood groups, about criminal activity in Berkeley. I like getting this information. It helps me be on the lookout for criminals and is a good reminder to lock my doors and windows.

    Last week the Grizzly Peak neighbors of John Yoo received a “Neighborhood Alert” regarding Professor Yoo, in the form of a flyer letting them know he lives among them and providing information about his crimes, namely providing unethical and shoddy legal advice and cover to Bybee, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. for illegal interrogation methods and the inhumane, degrading treatment of detainees—“unethical” because Yoo advocates breaking the law and “shoddy” because the memos were so ineptly crafted that they were repudiated and rescinded.

    Unlike a sexual predator or burglar, Mr. Yoo is a criminal whom the police are not likely to point out to Berkeley citizens, though his crimes are horrific...

    ... there is a growing group of Berkeley citizens who are standing in witness in front of Yoo’s house on a weekly basis, starting this Sunday, May 31, at 2 p.m. Join this group on Grizzly Peak for an hour or so. If there’s any justice in this world John Yoo is going to have problems living a normal life now, unless he apologizes to us all.
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    #151

    Jun 1, 2009, 07:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    ... is being stalked, harassed and threatened by the good leftists in Berkeley.
    No one says they are "leftists" except you, not in the article or anywhere. Check your hatred at the door please.
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    #152

    Jun 1, 2009, 07:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    John Yoo, who has been neither charged with or convicted of anything, is being stalked, harassed and threatened by the good leftists in Berkeley.
    Hello again,

    Even if they ARE leftists - SCREW John Yoo!

    excon
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    #153

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    No one says they are "leftists" except you, not in the article or anywhere. Check your hatred at the door please.
    I've never seen anyone here claim to be a "neocon" but that doesn't stop you from using the term disparagingly about us.

    Nonetheless, one would have to be completely out of touch or in denial to not know these people in the article including the author - (and I quote) "People for the American Way, ACLU, Act Against Torture, Human Rights First, National Religious Campaign Against Torture, MoveOn, democrats.com, CREDO, World Can’t Wait, the National Lawyers Guild Committee Against Torture, CODEPINK, Progressive Democrats of America, Voters for Peace, Common Cause, and afterdowningstreet.org" - are liberals, progressives, aka "leftists."
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    #154

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:07 AM

    Everyone knows that Bill O'Reilly killed George Tiller.

    O'Reilly's campaign against murdered doctor | Salon News
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    #155

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Even if they ARE leftists - SCREW John Yoo!

    excon
    So you have no problem with vigilante justice?
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    #156

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    everyone knows that Bill O'Reilly killed George Tiller.
    Hello tom:

    And, who could blame the dude who yelled fire in the theater, either??

    You guys are really out of touch.

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    #157

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So you have no problem with vigilante justice?
    Hello again, Steve:

    So it went from stalking and harassment, to vigilante justice...

    Dude! It was probably just some stoned hippies carrying signs, lighting candles, and singing cumbya.

    I say again, SCREW John Yoo.

    excon
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    #158

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:41 AM

    Out of touch ? Not at all. O'Reilly reported on this doctor because his practice was under criminal investigation.

    Do you or Gabriel Winant even know if Scott Roeder watched his show ? No you don't . And yet this murder is used to smear O'Reilley because he pointed out the particularly barbaric practice of "Doctor" Tiller.

    Why isn't the press emphasizing the fact that his specialty was late term abortions when there is no question about the viability of the baby ? No ;instead there is a nonsensical linkage to the anti-abortion movement itself .

    This from the same people who think the bombings by the Weather Underground was patriotic protest and that Bill Ayers is an American hero.
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    #159

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:47 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    out of touch ? not at all. O'Reilly reported on this doctor because his practice was under criminal investigation.
    Hello again, tom:

    There is a difference between REPORTING and WHIPPING people into a frenzy.

    Neither YOU, nor the loons at Fox noise know the difference.

    excon

    PS> This is reporting?? O'Reilly compared Tiller to a Nazi, called him a "baby killer," and warned of "Judgment Day"... He's pathetic!
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    #160

    Jun 1, 2009, 08:53 AM

    Excuse me, they're "peacefully" doing what they can to get the "war criminal" Yoo fired, convicted, disbarred and otherwise "have problems living a normal life."

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