[Leviston]

Why Are Frequent Churchgoers More Likely To Support Torture?

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[tomder55]

I don't know any churchgoer who supports "torture" . If you ask me why I approved of the enhanced interrogation techniques that went beyond tea and crumpets questioning then I would tell you that I think the country is worth defending .

I recognize that the methods employed do not come even close to the barbarity that is torture that the enemy regularly employs. It is a huge leap to equate making someone think they are drowning ;with slowly cutting their heads off with a dull knife ;with drilling holes in their victims with a power drill;or other maiming practices they regularly employ. I don't understand why the non-church goer would make the equivalence .

I just can't make the leap . To me this is torture..


If that makes me a hypocrite then... well... it is not the worse sin in the world .

[speechlesstx]

I don't know either, but I bet most of them don't view the techniques we used as "torture." I wonder why no one ever points out that a majority of Democrats and independents can justify the use of "torture" on occasion also.



We could always stick to bombing villages with drones somewhat indiscriminately to kill suspected terrorists instead of throwing them up against false walls if that would help soothe minds "tortured" over "torture."

[excon]

Why Are Frequent Churchgoers More Likely To Support Torture?

Hello Lev:

I don't know. Maybe because the god they worship is a pretty mean mofo - with all that hellfire and brimstone and stuff.

excon

[Leviston]

I don't know any churchgoer who supports "torture" . If you ask me why I approved of the enhanced interrogation techniques that went beyond tea and crumpets questioning then I would tell you that I think the country is worth defending .

I recognize that the methods employed do not come even close to the barbarity that is torture that the enemy regularly employs. It is a huge leap to equate making someone think they are drowning ;with slowly cutting their heads off with a dull knife ;with drilling holes in their victims with a power drill;or other maiming practices they regularily employ. I don't understand why the non-church goer would make the equivalence .

I just can't make the leap . To me this is torture ..


If that makes me a hypocrite then ...well ... it is not the worse sin in the world .

So let me get this straight your line of reasoning here is if they do so can we.What would be the difference between us and them.A civilized society is suppose to act like one.If you don't think simulating drowning is not torture, then try doing it on yourself you will have loads of fun.Religions teaches peace, but the most violent are the one who claim to be religious.

[Leviston]

I don't know either, but I bet most of them don't view the techniques we used as "torture." I wonder why no one ever points out that a majority of Democrats and independents can justify the use of "torture" on occasion also.



We could always stick to bombing villages with drones somewhat indiscriminately to kill suspected terrorists instead of throwing them up against false walls if that would help soothe minds "tortured" over "torture."

This is not suppose to be democrat, republican issue, nice try though.

[inthebox]

Ex

Aren't you Jewish? Ever read Judges or Joshua?


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Pew: Church-Goers Like Torture More - The Atlantic Politics Channel

I question the methodology and thus the conclusions that can be implied by this study.

Look at the sample size of this poll

Less than 200 in each sub group
And the sample in the White Evangelical Protestant and the weekly attenders are about twice that of the unaffiliated or never / seldom attend. Is the "p value" significant? The chances of sampling error are to high.
Even those among those "unaffiliated," with religion - 15% vs 18-19% can "often" justify torture.


The US population is about 300,000,000, to say that less than 1000 can be representative of about 75,000,000 is false.

Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Romans 12:17-21
Micah 6:8
1 John 3
1 John 4
John 8
Galatians 5: 14-15


All do not support torture.







G&P

[Fr_Chuck]

Perhaps they love their freedom of religion and want a strong government that will protect their rights.

Perhaps they understand the difference between being at war and prisoners of war and a prisoner in jail for a crime.

Perhaps they know the difference in questioning methods that are done to our our agents in training and real torture.

Perhaps they don't believe all the media hype calling questioning methods as torture.

Perhaps they have sat though one of my sermons and know what real torture is.

[galveston]

Your question is too loaded with preconceptions to be answered without of modifying it.

As has been pointed out, what kind of stats are you relying on for this preposteros claim?

And I, for one, don't define torture the way you apparently do. Having to hold your breath for 20 seconds doesn't seem too hard.

And finally, you ask what the difference is between "them" and "us".

I can tell you what it WILL be if we don't take steps to protect our country. "They" will win and "us" will die.

[inthebox]

So let me get this straight your line of reasoning here is if they do so can we.What would be the difference between us and them.A civilized society is suppose to act like one.If you don't think simulating drowning is not torture, then try doing it on yourself you will have loads of fun.Religions teaches peace, but the most violent are the one who claim to be religious.

The facts are that, in regimes that try to eliminate religion, mankinds worst genocides have occurred:

Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot
Hitler

They were also Communist and /or Socialist





G&P

[N0help4u]

So let me get this straight your line of reasoning here is if they do so can we.What would be the difference between us and them.A civilized society is suppose to act like one.If you don't think simulating drowning is not torture, then try doing it on yourself you will have loads of fun.Religions teaches peace, but the most violent are the one who claim to be religious.

They said that some of our military goes through water boarding as training.
Yeah I am with you we should just reason with them and then believe we made peace and see what they do to us next.
Also from what I heard many of the Democrats that are so opposed to it and claim they didn't know anything about it actually gave the okay for it at the time. That is why I heard they aren't going after the Republicans that approved it because it might eventually come back on them.

[Leviston]

Perhaps they love thier freedom of religion and want a strong government that will protect thier rights.

Perhaps they understand the difference between being at war and prisoners of war and a prisoner in jail for a crime.

Perhaps they know the difference in questioning methods that are done to our our agents in training and real torture.

Perhaps they don't believe all the media hype calling questioning methods as torture.

Perhpas they have sat though one of my sermons and know what real torture is.

Maybe they are not Christians so you think its okay to torture them

Maybe they don't look like you and you think its okay to torture people who don't look like you

Maybe they are not Americans and its okay to torture other since they are not really human beings

Maybe the priests have been feeding them garbage, and as they say garbage in garbage out

Maybe you need to take a good hard look at the facts

[Leviston]

Ex

aren't you Jewish? Ever read Judges or Joshua?


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Pew: Church-Goers Like Torture More - The Atlantic Politics Channel

I question the methodology and thus the conclusions that can be implied by this study.

Look at the sample size of this poll

Less than 200 in each sub group
and the sample in the White Evangelical Protestant and the weekly attenders are about twice that of the unaffiliated or never / seldom attend. Is the "p value" significant? The chances of sampling error are to high.
Even those among those "unaffiliated," with religion - 15% vs 18-19% can "often" justify torture.


The US population is about 300,000,000, to say that less than 1000 can be representative of about 75,000,000 is false.

Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


----------------------------------------------------

Romans 12:17-21
Micah 6:8
1 John 3
1 John 4
John 8
Galatians 5: 14-15


all do not support torture.







G&P

So you are saying the sample size is not a true representation of the population.DO you know how scientific pools are conducted,Do you even know what a p value is.

[Leviston]

Your question is too loaded with preconceptions to be answered without of modifying it.

As has been pointed out, what kind of stats are you relying on for this preposteros claim?

And I, for one, don't define torture the way you apparently do. Having to hold your breath for 20 seconds doesn't seem too hard.

And finally, you ask what the difference is between "them" and "us".

I can tell you what it WILL be if we don't take steps to protect our country. "They" will win and "us" will die.

As I said if water boarding is not torture try doing it on yourself, heck have the kids and the wife join in too, it will be a family affair.

[tomder55]

So let me get this straight your line of reasoning here is if they do so can we.What would be the difference between us and them.A civilized society is suppose to act like one.If you don't think simulating drowning is not torture, then try doing it on yourself you will have loads of fun.Religions teaches peace, but the most violent are the one who claim to be religious.

What you just did was put words in my mouth. If you don't see the difference between what we did and what they did then perhaps it is your moral compass that's out of wack. Too much relativism if you ask me.

[Leviston]

You say water boarding is not torture, and my moral compass is out of wack! Nice

[speechlesstx]

This is not suppose to be democrat, republican issue, nice try though.

I get what it was supposed to be which is why it needed a perspective that never gets told.

[N0help4u]

What you just did was put words in my mouth. If you don't see the difference between what we did and what they did then perhaps it is your moral compass that's out of wack. Too much relativism if you ask me.

Yep put words in FR_chucks mouth too it seems.

I don't hear anybody crying over the civilians (ours or theirs) that the terrorists beheaded.
I don't hear the bleeding hearts getting anywhere with sitting down and reasoning with them.
I don't hear the bleeding hearts crying that ONE soldiers death is one too many so we need to get out of the war NOW.

How things change simply because their man is President.

Alan Keyes is the only one that I think really gets it about ANYTHING political!

[excon]

Hello again:

Yeah, the deniers don't torture. They engage in torture "light", and torture "light" is just fine.

For sure if 41 seconds of waterboarding is torture, then 39 seconds is torture light. If banging a guy into a wall is torture, hanging on to his collar when you do it is only torture light.

But, of course, they are in denial... They see ONE act, and don't think it's torture, so ALL the acts put together couldn't be torture if any one act isn't... But, of course, they are in denial...

I guess they think being hung from a ceiling by handcuffs when it's time to sleep is OK... But, when they take you down, they don't let you sleep... Nope, they take you in for your morning waterboard... After your waterboard, they put you in a little tiny box with bugs... Then its time for your NEXT waterboard... After your morning waterboard, you're hung up again in your cell... By the way, the temp in your cell is freezing... Then it's time for some wall banging, maybe a head slap or two, and then your before lunch waterboard...

Yup, they're in denial... And, I have no idea why churchgoers are in the forefront of it. Kind of makes you NEVER want to go to church, doesn't it?

excon

[speechlesstx]

So you are saying the sample size is not a true representation of the population.DO you know how scientific pools are conducted,Do you even know what a p value is.

Is 742 people a true representation?