[sndbay]

sndbay,
So what has that to do with the weak man Peter?
He was selected by Jesus nor because is was the favorite but rather because Jesus knew that Peter would be the best leader of His Church.
Note that all the others followed Peter as the leader.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred, Jesus would build upon what God revealed to Peter.. Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


And Christ said: And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: The keys to heaven are that which opens the door to heaven, and can not be open by man... Christ The Anointed One

Peter's authority was exercised in Act 2 in Israel and in Acts 10 among the Gentiles. The Holy Spirit was the leader and directed Peter in every case. (God hath shewed me)

His disciples were endued with power from God. Noting that they would be witnesses of Christ (Luke 24:48)
Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

[arcura]

Tj3,
So do I and what authentic history proves to be a fact.
Fred

[Tj3]

Tj3,
So do I and what authentic history proves to be a fact.
Fred

I know authentic history and it agrees with the Bible:

Christ is head of the church

[JoeT777]

My posted quote of # 10 are in reference to Jesus, and His words spoke as to "Who" His answer was clear, Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. (Matthew 18:1-5)

Yes, who? Who indeed? The “insane with the madness of discord, that either he should believe that the unity of God can be divided or should dare to rend it – the garment of the Lord ‘the Church of Christ”? (Cyprian of Carthage, Unity of the Church.) Yes who? Is it to be those adulterers who worship at the foot of a book, pouncing upon a page, every line, salivating over their freedom while they shackle God to their subjective wills? But, such a faith is doomed to division, division again, division upon division. “As the twelve tribes of Israel were divided, the prophet Abijah rent his garment. But because Christ's people cannot be rent, His robe, woven and united throughout, is not divided by those who possess it; undivided, united, connected, it shows the coherent concord of our people who put on Christ. By the sacrament and sign of His garment, He has declared the unity of the Church.” (Cyprian of Carthage, Unity of the Church)

Being one with Christ, and walking in His ways, and doing the Will of God are the keys that offer Eternal Life. I have no doubt that Peter, himself love Christ. Peter followed Christ, in doing His ways in doing His will... Just as Christ had shown us in doing His Father's Will .. That is the truth of what Christ brought forth and fulfilled in all that is written.

That’s funny, pronounce man totally depraved, every one, and then give said same keys to the Holiest Throne room as their right to a self proclaimed faith, while at the same time denying the bride of Christ, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Yeah right! I’ve got a cold and your making my head hurt.

To place anyone as Head other then Christ would not be the doctrine of Christ. But rather it would be the the doctrine of man. It is written:
1 Corinthains 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

What other Head would our faith have, each a member of the body, but Jesus Christ.

It is also very clear what was posted in #10 (And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.)But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last [shall be] first. (Matthew 19:29-30)

So it is very clear, that Christ selected of the world twelve, twelve loaves that were like the only loaves available to the Son of David to feed his army, was served to mankind. "Bread of the faces", i.e. "bread of the presence (of Yahweh)" (Exodus 35:13; 39:35, etc.), also called "holy bread" (1 Samuel 21:6), "bread of piles" (1 Chronicles 9:32; 23:29), "continual bread" (Numbers 4:7), or simply "bread" (Hebrew Version, Exodus 11:23). ’ártoi tês prothéseos, "loaves of the setting forth" (Exodus 35:13; 39:35, etc.) which the Latin Vulgate also adopts in its uniform translation panes propositionis, whence the English expression "loaves of proposition", as found in the Douay and Reims versions (Exodus 35:13, etc.; Matthew 12:4; Mark 2:26; Luke 6:4). The Protestant versions have "shewbread" These loaves of bread formed the most important sacrificial offering prescribed by the Mosaic Law. These 12 Apostles , loaves “in the presence of God;” these men become the holiest of sacrifices in New Covenant; bread made of wheat sieved multiple times; absent the tars.

The twelve holy loves were present – facing God, “face bread” when 12 Apostles were in the presence of God; when He held the bread Christ said at the last supper “this is my body,”The loaves were to be consumed by the people in each word taught; they nourish the masses with the body and blood of Christ. As in the Old Tabernacle at the end of their time, new freshly baked loaves were replaced with new “.

After Peter confessed his faith he was he open to the presence of God; the Most Holy of Sacrificial Lambs. Thus when Christ says, “That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” The intent is crystal clear to 12 Jewish Apostles. Christ was God, Peter was to be the head of the Church – that same church called by the world, “Roman Catholic Church,” but whose proper name is the Church of Jesus Christ.

JoeT

[sndbay]

added note: All Christians should recognize Peter as Head of the Church, but Catholics do predominantly rely on the opinion of others; 266 successors of Peter have pronounced their opinion.

Recognize Who as the Head?

What other Head would our faith have, each a member of the body, but Jesus Christ.

JoeT

Did all 266 change their minds?


Joe, I hope you feel better soon..

[arcura]

Tj3,
Sorry.
I do not believe you.
There is very much evidence that The Church existed long before you have claimed.
The writings of the early Church fathers and the early popes prove beyond a doubt that Peter was the first leader of The Church.
In fact on the last couple of days several of those writing have been posted here.
Perhaps you did not bother to read them
Fred

[Tj3]

I do not believe you.

I don't care - I do not ask you to believe me. I would hope that you would believe the Bible when it says, and I quote"

Christ is head of the church

Seems clear. I do not find any such statement about Peter.

There is very much evidence that The Church existed long before you have claimed.

I thought that we were discussing who the head of the church is, not how Constantine brought your denomination into being.

[Akoue]

how Constantine brought your denomination into being.

Oh PLEASE explain this! It would be so much fun.

[JoeT777]

Joe, I hope you feel better soon..

Thanks, we've got Akoue's plumbing to thank for this. He put a pox on me and I cought a cold!

I think pox is Latin for cold beer? You think?

[JoeT777]

Did all 266 change their minds?

You lost me?

JoeT

[Tj3]

Oh PLEASE explain this! It would be so much fun.

I thought that you claimed to know church history.

[JoeT777]

As a Christian, I accept what scripture says, not your denomination.

I got bad news. You read Catholic truth every time you open the Bible. You may not recognize it, but it's there.

JoeT

Added Maybe I should have said good news. I guess it depends on one's point of view.

[Tj3]

I got bad news. You read Catholic truth every time you open the Bible. You may not recognize it, but it’s there.

Then why do you deny it when it says that Christ is the head of the church?

[JoeT777]

I know authentic history and it agrees with the Bible:

Christ is head of the church

So, why don't you tell us your version of Catholic History?

JoeT

[Tj3]

So, why don't you tell us your version of Catholic History?

JoeT

I don't have my version. I accept the truth.

[Akoue]

And now Tom is back to playing games, trying to dodge the question.

Tom, YOU said that Constantine started the Catholic Church. Why don't you stop dancing around and put your cards on the table. Give your justification for the claim that the Catholic Church was begun by Constantine in the fourth century.

[Akoue]

I thought that you claimed to know church history.

I do. That's why I'm so eager to hear your account of the origin of the Catholic Church.

[Tj3]

And now Tom is back to playing games, trying to dodge the question.

Tom, YOU said that Constantine started the Catholic Church. Why don't you stop dancing around and put your cards on the table. Give your justification for the claim that the Catholic Church was begun by Constantine in the fourth century.

I don't dance around. You keep avoiding starting a thread on that topic.

[Tj3]

I do. That's why I'm so eager to hear your account of the origin of the Catholic Church.

I don't have an account. I rely on history

[Akoue]

I don't dance around. You keep avoiding starting a thread on that topic.

And I explained why: The mods delete or alter OP's on those sorts of topics.

So I can infer that you are once again going to hide? You keep making the claim. If you are confidant of its truth I should think you'd be eager to demonstate it. Why keep it a secret? You claim to speak the truth no matter what, so tell us why you think the Catholic Church started in the fourth century.